Can you identify this timer?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Can you identify this timer?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Williamson on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 05:54 am:

I recently started a thread asking what other tasks I should do while I had the radiator out of my '25 tourer.
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/411944/493241.html?1415716058

I had posted a photo of my timer and it puzzled a few forum members so I'm starting a new thread (this one) in the hopes of identifying it.

Here is the photo I posted in the other thread:



As the car had been running so well I was loath to take the cover off the timer. I'm a newbie and describe myself as mechanically inept (although I think I have now worked out which end of the screwdriver to hold ;)
With some fear and trembling I removed the cover, cleaned, oiled and reassembled the timer. Here's what it looked like inside:





After I finally managed to get the radiator fitted correctly, I wondered if it would still go, having messed with the timer. I nearly fell over when I got a free start! (I have been getting lots of free starts when the engine is warm lately.)

So, what sort of timer is it? There was an old roller timer under the back seat when I bought the car about 5 months ago as well as a new Anderson timer still in the box but I'd like to know about the one that's on the car and pictured above.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 06:34 am:

The inside looks like New Day, and so does the brush. The strange part is the outside. What do those eight screws do?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 06:43 am:

I agree with Steve LOOKS just like my new day on the inside when you cleaned all of the "gunk" off of the outside was there any writing on it? maybe a prototype new day? Your brush is looking a little short might be time to look for a new brush.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Benoit on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 06:49 am:

Could it be a New Day that has had the guts replaced in the field? The screws don't look all on the same BCD.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justin Heim on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 06:58 am:

I would like to know what kind of metal the pieces in between the contacts are. It looks to have been made that way to eliminate the brush from riding on the Bakelite. Also, each of the wear plates and copper contacts are held in by screws. You can see the screws where they protrude through the copper and were smoothed off.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 07:07 am:

Maybe it's a worn out modern New Day that was repaired by someone with teflon and copper pieces? That may explain the short brush?
When a new brush is needed, maybe it should be shortened to fit with the modified innards.

Usually it's not needed to oil inside a New day, just clean it from any debris.

Many get less wear in the cover by making a new brush out of some type of carbon brush from a generator.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 08:06 am:

The new days are great timers. This on or one like it had the extra screws added for some reason.
I do believe it does have a little thicker case than the original New Days.
If you look at the pic of it looking at the inside you can see the slightly thicker case. That's what it looks like to me anyway.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 08:46 am:

New Day timers have the contacts molded into the case. This one looks like someone made it or rebuilt an original by splitting the case. Four screws hold the case together and four hold the contacts in place. Nice craftsmanship but I'd rather have an original one-piece.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 09:18 am:

Or could be a Turner Jr. Don't know about the extra fasteners, could be on a Jr.


Turner also made a forward facing brush timer, the 2-1 was made with a wired cable, and was take-apart for wiring it up, no exposed wire nuts on the outer case. The inner was Bakelite with contacts.




The Turner Jr. was plain without the cable, and looks very much like the later New-Day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 09:19 am:

Forgot to post pic of the 2-1 Turner :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 10:42 am:

I doubt the Turner theory. The advertising doesn't show the front, but the copy says, "Take-apart feature Just remove one screw". I'd like to see the front of Mark's timer cleaned up. Maybe it has some identifying marks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justin Heim on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 11:09 am:

The case is not split. Every one of the screws is holding in a metal piece. 4 for the copper contacts and 4 for the "in between" wear pieces. If you look closely you can see the end of every screw. It is possible that someone built it to mimick a New Day and was unable to mold the contacts into the case or they rebuilt it with the additional wear surfaces and added screws to hold everything in place.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown North Central Arkansas on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 08:11 pm:

If you look closely, you can see insulating material between each segment. I believe the copper contacts/segments are the "fire" contacts and the other segments are some form of "anti-wear" material. If made of metal they would need to be insulated from each of the copper contacts. It looks like a good attempt to fix the only drawback of the New Day timers. That is the wear of the bakelite between the copper contacts .... Nice piece ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 08:39 pm:

I'd still like a good look at the outside cleaned up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Plank on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 08:42 pm:

Am I seeing this right, is the top picture upside down? If so, is the timing rod on the bottom? Wouldn't that make it rotate backward?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 08:59 pm:

Dennis

Mark lives 'down under' so his T is right hand drive, and the timer works different in that part of the world. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Plank on Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 09:12 pm:

Gosh, now I do feel dumb. Thanks for explaining.


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