Hi, So the T has a knocked knee look with the wood wheels. Is it the same for wires? Scott
Do you mean excessive front wheel toe-in? If so, it will be the same with wire wheels. Can you post a picture? Be sure to resize it to under 194K before you try to post it. A resolution of 150 dots per inch and a width of six inches works well.
wire or wood, castor and camber do not change
Ok I guess what Iam asking is the wood wheels are of the cassion style. The bottom spokes are straight down and the top are at an angle. But are the wires made the same way? So my big question is with the wood wheels the front looks knocked knee but will it look the same with wires? I have taken my wood wheels off and getting close to getting the wires on and want to make sure everything is correct. Thanks, Scott
The tires on the wooden wheels are narrower than the tires on the wire wheels, so it is more noticeable. The knocked knees are still there. They just are not as pronounced. You will still have people coming up and telling you your wheels are crooked. Just tell them you forgot to put Vitamin D in the gas when it was newer so it has rickets.
Are you sure that "The tires on the wooden wheels are narrower than the tires on the wire wheels"???
I have seen 30 x 3 front tires also on after market front wire wheels.
What Scott is trying to say is wood felloe front wheels are dished.
With a dished wheel, due to the camber of the spindle, the bottom spoke (the one closest to the road) is perpendicular to the road (i.e. straight up and down) while the top spoke is at an angle relative to the road.
This concept is typically covered in early automotive textbooks.
When dished wheels are cambered, the bottom spoke is perpendicular to the road.
It doesn't make any difference. If they all run on the same spindle, they will all have the same camber.
There is a difference with the Improved Car, 1926-1927 as the spindle did change.
The correct camber for the Improved Car is 1 15/16" pitch.
The prior spindles gave a 1 1/2" pitch.
Service Bulletin, Jan. 1926
Dan -- I think you're mixing your measurements. The difference between the top and bottom measurements on pre-'26 cars was 3" total, giving 1-1/2" pitch to each wheel. (Ken's post above)
The Improved car difference between top and bottom measurements is 1-15/16" total, or roughly 1" pitch per wheel.
I had always heard from the old-timers that the camber was reduced by one-half using the Improved spindles, but it was actually about one-third.
Looks like only Erik knows what you mean. I'm not certain, but I don't believe Ford supplied wheels with dished in, (or caisson style), spokes. I have however seen some respoked wheels that are made this way. If you're referring to '26 -'27 wire wheels, I don't believe they are like that. As to other, aftermarket wheels, there were so many different styles & mfr's., who can say. Also depends how the last guy relaced them.
Jerry, I though all wood wheels are of the caisson style. That is what gives them there strength. So if the wood wheels are dished and the wire are not the knocked knee look should change. I see that the camber is different so Iam think that the angled look will also change. I think that I know Henry made the T front end to climb out of ruts and all the angles he put in are needed to let the wheel roll out of a rut instead of crabbing on the side of the rut. Thanks to all that have giving input. I have learned from this thread. Scott
Dish or no dish, the hub, felloe, rim and tire are all on parallel planes regardless if it is a wire wheel or wood wheel.
The spindle is perpendicular to the above mentioned planes.
Camber is in the spindle, so as Ken Kopsky wrote earlier, the camber of the wheels remains the same regardless of wheel type.
Erik's description is on the mark. See the article by Trent Boggess about dished wheels in the encyclopedia.
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