My thoughts and prayers are for our Model T friends and families in and around the Buffalo NY area. They have been hit with a 4 foot snow storm and more is on the way. Some forecasts are predicting as much as 6 feet by the time the storms end. God bless and keep warm.
My youngest son goes to college in Hamburg, NY (just south of Bflo). He sent pics last night and they have 50 inches plus so far with more expected today. The NYS TThruway (route 90) was closed from exit 46 (Rochester) all the way to the Pa line yesterday. Power has been out at our house since 3 am, a little chilly as its 10 outside. A very early start to winter by many this year! Ho, ho, ho......
Reminds me of Oswego, NY (on the south east end of Lake Ontario 40 miles (or so) east of Rochester, NY. Those poor folks got hammered with 11' 3" over the course of 3 days a few years ago!
Ditto what Dennis said. We had a bad storm back in '78/'79 but nothing like what Buffalo area is experiencing. Keep warm and safe folks! Cold kills. The rooster next door hasn't crowed now for over 24 hours after apparently spending the bitter night Monday outdoors. Poor thing. I think he froze to death. He was actually crying for help.
Tex I hope your power gets back on soon, or that you have a generator. I finally installed one, as we lose power out here frequently. Peace of mind.
While not getting hammered, it has been snowing here at Carthage, NY since yesterday morning. I may have to cancel dog's appointment tomorrow as the snows looks like it is going to keep falling. I will go and snowblow later today, just to clean 175' paved driveway. When we moved here from Savannah almost 11 years aGO, the first thing we purchased a 5kw Generator for use when power went out. I have it hard wired to the breaker in the garage and feed the juice thru that box back to the box in the house after cutting the house circuit breaker box off from the main line. After I done this, all of the neighbors came around to check it out and they did the same thing. Only thing we have to worry about is some one stealing your generator.
Tim, 200 year old farm house, (not real tight as to let the radon out!) big old wood boiler in the basement that supplies heat to a 5 zone baseboard system - but it requires elec to run the pump and inducer fan ( burn about 18 tons of wood/season). No generator! Currently home recovering from hernia & foot surgery so im heating with gas for the " convince "! Me thinks I'll be generator shopping this week!
just a light dusting in Rochester.... Sun is shining..
I was born and raised in Buffalo. This storm is only unusual in that it occurred so early in the season. People there are used to this, although I'm sure it caught them by surprise.
I can remember the city running ropes between the lampposts so people could grab on and walk during the winter.
"I can remember the city running ropes between the lamp posts so people could grab on and walk during winter"...
Bud, That was for those folks trying to get home from a New Years Eve party!
Don't you remember? I guess not if you had a hold of the rope
Right .....I think ......
Very cold but not much snow here, 75 miles south of Buffalo. The City of Buffalo hasn't gotten much; it's the towns immediately south of the city, like Hamburg, as Tex says. It's really remarkable how narrow and how clearly defined the trouble area is. Go 10 miles north or south from the epicenter and the sun is shining with only a few inches on the ground. Very typical of western NY lake effect snow.
About 100 cars and trucks stranded on and around I-90 with folks in them since early yesterday morning.
While growing up in Williamsville, an easterly suburb, I went through the famous Blizzard of '77; that was very similar to this but much more widespread.
Lake effect can be brutal if the band is stationary. I can still see my lawn is spots, 4 miles away they have 5 FEET of snow. The band in this photo stayed there and dumped over 4" an hour for a day.
Here is a picture of a house that was on the news, the drift was so big it blew the French doors in.
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Any one (like Bud) that has lived there knows it's not uncommon. This was early as they go but it's now that strange. I've seen trucks in Vermont with 3 plows on them. Center V plow and rt. & Lft wing plows. They do 3 lane highways in one pass. Places like that are set up for it. It's a pain in the chops but usually do-able. Also saw, again Vermont, snow mobiles inspected & registered for street use and ladders permantently attached to houses to get on the roof and shovel off the excess snow weight. No thanks.
Lived Here all my life and yes, we are used to lots of snow, but the rate at which it came down was something the plows couldn't keep up with. This in turn caused lots of vehicles to get stuck and blocked roads from allowing plows to get by. Plows themselves are getting stuck with the amount that has fallen. I am the Chief of the Boston Fire Co. just south of Buffalo and Fire trucks/ Ambulances, and even the snowmobiles that are being used to reach people are becoming stuck. Firefighters and police have been on foot for the most part reaching people with emergencies only when possible. Here are a few Photos from a neighbor who tried snowblowing his driveway after he woke up yesterday and a neighboring fire companies truck that got stuck.
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my generator setup is a lot like yours. I also backfeed the house from the garage. mine is not hard wired but I use a cord that has two plugs twinned into a 220 volt dryer plug. I plug both of the plugs into the generator 110 volt outlets and the dryer plug into a dryer outlet that is connected to a double pole breaker in the garage.
We can use a 220 volt range to cook with, etc.
Over here in Edwards we got about 28" of snow. We don't usually get lake effect.
Tex....I put in an automatic Generac standby generator 3 years ago and it was the best 2 grand I spent! I installed it myself in a day, now no worries. Won't run my elec. furnace, but virtually everything else in the house from the well pump, two portable oil-filled heaters, etc. We don't know the difference other than hearing it hum at the west end of the house. And no flooded basement!!
Do urself a favor and get one asap! But first, take care of that hernia...been there!
Wow, you described an exact clone to my previous setup here at my place before I broke down and put in the automatic generator! It really is/was a neat set-up, had lots of people copy it. Whatta they say, "best form of flattery"?....Had a dedicated line just to put lights into the basement so I could then run down and shut down the main panel before hooking up through the dryer circuit, which also was extended to a receptacle in the garage. I had a 7.5KW elec. start Generac for that. I now have that neat little 7KW Generac "Core Power" model, it's a sweetheart. Before that it was a race to get the generator going and backfed before the water rose up out of the sump crock during a bad storm!
Some day you're gonna want one!!!
Amazing pictures of Western NY snow from Pat, it makes the 2.5 feet here in St. Lawrence County NY seem paltry.
Tim, I have thought a lot putting in an automatic generator system, so far only thought.
They say you can't plow a field by turning it over in your mind.
Guess I've reached that age where everything reminds me of a story.
In the early 60's living in a suburb of Buffalo, my dad got a great idea. He knew a storm was coming that night and wanted to avoid shoveling lots of snow. So we went out that afternoon and bought a snow fence. (for those who don't know a ... snow fence is just 1/4" by 1" lath wood about 4 ft high and strung along wire to make a wind barrier so hopefully the snow will blow over the area you want to protect).
So that afternoon we erected the snow fence along one side of the driveway. That night we got about 3 ft. of snow. In the morning my dad was overjoyed to find less than 2" of snow in our drive. As we sat down to breakfast we got a phone call from the next door neighbor ..... he had 6 ft. drifts in his driveway where the snow had blown over our drive and landed on his!
After we shoveled the neighbors driveway we took down the snow fence. Dad never mentioned it again.
John, Tim, others, Be very careful to disconnect from main line before powering up generator with your setup. If you don't and some lineman gets zapped you will be liable. A transfer switch is a good investment. I got mine for a decent price on Ebay.
Gary, very good advice. My automatic switch gear does that for me! This is such a cool little power plant.
William, I'm like you...it took me over 3 years to finally --- and get off the pot!!
Keep Buffalo area in your prayers...these folks are gonna need it...this is long being over. Just wait 'til the snow starts to melt, and gets that extra bit of weight as it does so, or even gets rained on next week like it would. Some buildings are already beginning to collapse.
While we in Wisconsin are no strangers to snow the storm in Buffalo is incomprehensible to me........and then there are roofs to think about.......YIKES
Unless I could keep plowing ahead of more, more and more snow I don't know what I would do.
There is a semi driver from about 90 miles NW of us whose truck is buried in snow so he's screwed except for the fact he didn't have an accident.
Prayers indeed.......those folks need all the help they can get.
I always remembered what year the '77 storm was when I was in Toronto. I recall having to stop shovelling because there was nowhere to put all the snow. It was also odd to be on the sidewalk hearing cars go by but you couldn't see them. What I see on the news of Buffalo looks worse although we all know the media tends to deploy the narrow angle lens to make a trouble spot look like a widespread disaster.
I live about 2 miles from the center of Hamburg where the Weather Channel has been hanging out. It sure is nice to be retired and and just wait it out. Finishing up the rear axle for the T we use for touring.
Gary, thanks for the reminder, I think I am very careful to turn off the main breaker in the house before I start the generator but a reminder helps me to be even more careful. A transfer switch is a good investment. Something I should look in to. Sooner rather than later.
William, when I had my "manual" back feeding system before putting in the automatic generator, I had all sorts of HUGE posters put up by the generator, the receptacle in the garage where I plugged in, even down in the basement on the main panel. I found in that system, I needed to disconnect some branch circuits anyway so as not to put unneeded drain on the generator. So a big note went up on top of the panel reminding me to throw the main disconnect too! It worked.
Great idea, I will definitely do that. Snowing here again today after a partly sunny day yesterday.
Officially 30" Tuesday, Another 10" predicted today.
Still not as bad as Buffalo area.
I just read that Buffalo set a new record, I may be wrong but wasn't the blizzard of 77 worse? It seems it dumped 15 feet before it was done. I may be off on the year. Up until 14 years ago I had lived in St.Lawrence county NY all my life. See a lot of snow. As a kid I made my gas money for my snowmobile shouving snow from roofs. I remember one season my brother and I shoveled the same roof for a week before we caught up with the falling snow. There are only two seasons up there, Snow season and mosquito season.
It's been about a month since i ran both of our genenrator's but both are el start and i keep a small charger on the large one all the time.We have only just enough snow to delay the corn harvest so all i'm doing is bringing in corn for the stove.I think liveing where you do not have water to flush is much worse?? Bud.
Yes the Blizzard of '77 was worse, here anyway. It may not have been in Buffalo area. In previous contact I had thought you lived in Evans Mills which of course is Jefferson County, where were you in St. Lawrence County.
The 1977 storm may not have been lake effect as it was certainly very widespread. Lake effect tends to be more localized. In '77 we had about 52" which is a lot less than the Buffalo area has now.
I hear Toronto has sent a bunch of snow removal equipment to BUF to help dig out! We didn't get much white stuff 5cm but bloody cold
In my last post I forgot, now I remember that you told me a while back, you grew up
on Rt 3 in the Fine - Star Lake area and are a graduate of Clifton Fine. I think you had some connection Evans Mills, more recently. Sorry for my confusion.
And sadly,per my previous fear, on my AOL homepage/news page, one of the headliners is about the roofs on houses now starting to collapse.
Keep 'em in your prayers....this is frightening, especially for young kids.
I just got off the phone with my friend Bob who lives south of Buffalo between the lake and the turnpike. He says he's able to walk into town where he can work on his cars but the town is closed with the exception of the Quicky-Mart food store and its gas pumps. He says the people outside of the town who heat with oil and propane are nervous because the fuel trucks can't get back to service their areas. He also said the snow depth varies widely depending on your location and some places are much worse than others. He hasn't tried to move his daily use car because there's no place to drive it.
And then to change the subject, he mentioned recent changes he's made to his collection which necessitated him stopping in Longmont, Colorado and then seeing some guy's Model K in Nebraska. We travel in small circles in this hobby apparently.
Bob asked me why I was at my shop today instead of being at work. I told him we got two inches of snow yesterday so I decided to take a vacation day. He was not amused.
I remember when I lived in Toronto that we often sent a machine that looked like a Giant Crushing Plant with conveyer belt in front that picked up the snow in front and raised the snow up into a hopper and as the snow dropped in to the Hopper that the snow was then Melted and water came out the end.I often thought that the melted water would then freeze after it came out the other end but then I'm not an engineer (maybe they added salt so it would freeze?)
We were always jealous when they shut the Schools in Buffalo but we still had to go to school.As a youth we never thought about the weight of snow and roofs caving in.
William, My youth was spent in the Fine-Star Lake area off Rt.3 which is now known as the Fort Rd named after my grandparents. After many years driving 45 miles one way back and forth to work I found that place in Evans Mills which I still own. My son now lived there. I've only been in New Jersey for 14 years. Not so sure I could handle another NY winter anymore. Iv grown soft over the years. As kids my brother and I would take are .22 cal rifles down to the town dump and the guy that ran the dump back then would give a nickel a rat for shooting them. It paid for are ammo and made us both expert shots. Today you wouldn't even consider such an act for allowing a ten year old to carry a rifle much less by himself and then shooting it in a public place. Amazing how things have changed
Did the same thing at the Edwards Dump, which doesn't exist now. I don't remember ever getting paid for it though, actually I don't think anyone ran the dump it was just there. This was probably in the mid 1950s as I was born in 1940. Someone once asked if I lived in Edwards all my life, I replied not yet.
Sorry for carrying on and getting this thread into stuff totally unrelated to the original intent of the first posting. The people in and around Buffalo will be dealing with this for a long time and do need our prayers and support. The major news media
reports on it for a couple of days then moves on to the next big story.
Watching the BUF news tonight things may be getting much worse. Rain is now in the forecast for Sat/Sun with temps well above freezing. This is going to cause major flooding/and unbelievable roof loads, which will result in major structual damage. All this light snow is going to act like a blotter for this rain.
Our fingers are crossed for the folks in this section of NY!
There's nothing fun about too much snow and too much cold. Hang in there guys, better days are coming. And who knows, Al Gore might come to your house and shovel you out.
Our thoughts go out to the folks near Buffalo. Out here on the wet coast 6" of snow cripples Seattle.
A couple of years ago I installed a 20 kw Gernerac with automatic transfer switch. Had it installed by the factory installers to eliminate any possible issues.
Just checked the hour meter and since installation just under 50 hours. It goes through a self check and battery charge 30 mins every Saturday afternoon.
The best part was this unit runs on natural gas so no need to haul fuel. I had it plumbed direct to the main gas line coming into our meter.
This generator has enough capacity to run our house completely. Our natural gas furnace is 220 but minimal load. Our stove and ovens are gas so no great power draw there.
We have needed it due to some high winds from time to time and the comfort level is well worth the expense. The worst part is the time delay from power off until generator is up and running requires resetting all digital clocks !!!!!!!!