Ever since Kim Dobbins posted the thread on the 1911 tool list, I have been trying to do some research on it.I have a couple of questions.
1-What material was the roll made of?
2-Did the speedometer wrench have a compartment
of its own in the rool?
3-In what order were the tools placed in the roll?
4- Would the list have the ford logo on the top of the sheet like the 1913 list?
When I made my tool roll for my 1911,I made it like the one in Bruce's book. I put compartments for tire irons. I also made the roll out of top material.
Ford didn't adopt the winged Pyramid logo until around March or April 1912.
The tool lists for 1913 (Smith) and 1914 (Palmatier) don't list tire irons either.
Someone has posted a tool roll pattern from the Benson Ford Center (?Regan), I canít find it right now and I have a dental appt. Will look for it later.
Here's an earlier thread about tool rolls. The thread contains a link to an even earlier thread on the same subject.
Always interesting discussions here. When I was at the archives recently, I pulled the print on the tool roll. The earliest one they have is for 1913, and it specifies the material to be used is canvas,, yet if you refer to the parts book for 1913 it clearly shows the tool roll being made from scrap top material, but of course it could have been anything including canvas, but why would they sew three pieces together? I don't have the print if front of me, but as I recall there are enough slots for the tire irons. If I feel like it in the near future, I'll look at the print and post the measurements. I got an email within the past year from a fellow with an original '15 tool roll that came with his car, and it was made up of 3 pieces of top material.
Larry - In your post above you ask "Why would they sew three pieces together?"
I'm guessing that they did it because:
1. Labor was relatively cheap.
2. They had to sew it anyway, so using three
pieces was no big deal, except that they
had to cut it to size.
3. The shape of the top meant there was plenty of
scrap material to work with.
This is just my guess.
This is my tool kit now.
I found the "plan" for the 1913-1922 tool roll.
I think the handle for the T2178 spark plug wrench is supposed to have more of a bend in it
Thanks for all the good information.
I question canvas.I don't know a thing that was made out of canvas on a model T. I lean toward top material. I will keep researching.
Charles: I saw the drawing of the tool roll you posted when I was at the archives. I believe it was used in 1914. My guess is it was too much trouble to sew the angle on the flap, because in 1915, they went back to a straight flap. Trivia I know, but fun and interesting.
This one is not as early as 1911, but the material certainly appears to be a treated canvas.
Peter, If you are not happy with that cast plug spanner with the improperly bent tommy bar, just put it into the mail for me.
Cheers, Allan from down under.
With regard to mention that you were unaware of anything made from canvas on early T's. I have drawings for the early front floor mats. They were made from canvas that was impregnated with rubber. The repro mats we have look similar to what they looked like but the construction of original mats was not just rubber. The drawing calls out the proper construction detail.
Canvas was also used as a backing material for seat upholstery.
Kim and John,
You are both right. I forgot those things.I have canvas under my seat on top of the springs beneath
the upholstery,and I read somewhere about the mats.
Does any one have a original canvas tool roll for 1911?
Did the steward speedometer wrench have its compartment in the tool roll?
Was the buckle and the end on the tool roll strap brass or just metal?