The old car hobby - what does it mean for you?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Constantine on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 06:13 pm:

David Greenlees' recent post on the forum "Forgotten Treasure Trove of Sixty Cars Worth Millions Found Untouched After 50-Years" see:

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/411944/499598.html?1417890074

got me thinking about the differences in which old car guys approach the hobby.

Here's my view.

David Greenlees' post shows some rare and lovely cars. Pity once restored their dollar value will mean they'll more or less never be driven.

They might be old cars but they're in a lower league (because they cannot/will not be used) than Model Ts and Model As, and they're not in the same hobby.

There's nothing cool, nothing sexy, nothing interesting standing around a $10m car drinking Dom Pérignon champagne from Czech Bohemia crystal glasses whilst having a directionless discussion filled with superlative adjectives.
(Do I make the shortlist for the forum's quote of the year with this?)

Sure there's a huge industry around this type of thing...magazines, "elite" car shows, websites, etc. but it's not a car hobby; it's a fantasy and silver spoon hobby based around static cars. The Emperor has no clothes.

Instead, spend $10K and buy a Model T. Yes, driving one in summer you'll become hot enough to begin to liquefy; yes, a minor repair can mean you're covered in so much grease and 600W oil your wife will need to pour a bucket of kerosene over you to get you clean...but hey, that's what being alive and being a real man is all about. Isn't it?

Don't dream, don't feed the effeminate multi-millionaire trio of Top Gear or others by buying their magazines and merchandise; but rather get into your T and drive.

By the way, tickets for 2015 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance are already for sale, see:

http://tickets.theconcoursstore.com/

I may well visit the USA next year but I think I'd rather save my money and spare myself the endless mindless chatter of the 1%-ters and their groupies; and instead, visit some of the "walk the walk" old car guys on this forum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Thum on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 06:40 pm:

Constantine, You ever come to St. Louis please look us up. We would be happy to show you around this town with our Model T. We could also provide you with a place to stay for a couple of nights. You could pm me to get my contact info.

Steven


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 06:52 pm:

Constantine,
I like your view. I currently live about 250 miles (roughly 350 K) from where Pebble Beach is held. Until about 12 years ago, my home was only about 100 miles (roughly 140K) from there. I know several people that attend at least some years. But I have never gone there.
I DO appreciate many of the cars. However, they are more like works of art than they are automobiles. IF I were wealthy (I actually can barely afford to keep my few model Ts anymore), I would probably own a few cars like some of those. But I would have to have a couple dozen driver quality cars first. I don't know if I would ever have had a car that was a contender for a Pebble Beach award. A couple people I know have shown cars there in past years. They do not have their cars judged. Although they can afford the quality of cars, they personally don't like the judging scene, and prefer to drive their cars as they please. It is nice to go on a club tour, and get to follow a half million dollar car with my lowly model T.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 07:56 pm:

If you come attend The Old Car Festival at The Henry Ford!!! Of course there will be a few high dollar car's but almost all will be driven and often shared1 It get's no better than the OCF!!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 08:07 pm:

Working on the cars, driving the cars and the comraderie of the others in the hobby is what is important to me. I don't care about judging. Judging doesn't prove anything. It doesn't say anything about the owner unless he does the work himself. For me the pride is in the getting it to run and driving it. If I bend it I work on it again and fix it.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark McWethy on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 08:16 pm:

I would be happy to have you enjoy the T's in and around Arizona. Mine is one that gets driven all through the year. Mine is not a high dollar resto, the body is for the most part in "Barn find" condition. It is so great when I show up at a show and see that it doesn't make any difference , young and old alike seem to smile when they see my old truck. I think it's a Awsome hobby. I think the club members do a bang up job of keeping it going. One of the parts that I enjoy the most is how the members try very hard to keep the young people involved.
Everyone keep up the Great work,
Mark


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Kelsey on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 08:17 pm:

Norm:

I totally agree with you. I do not see the point of judging cars where the owner was not involved physically in the restoration, whether it be mechanical, bodywork, etc. Somewhere on this forum is an article that I sent to Hemmings on this very issue. I never heard back from them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 08:18 pm:

Constantine -- I hope you do get to the USA, and I hope you can spend some time in the middle of the country. I expect Steven Thum would take good care of you in St. Louis, and while you're in the neighborhood, we'd also treat you well here in Arkansas. With a little advance notice, we could certainly arrange an impromptu T tour on some of the most wonderful Model T roads anywhere, here in the Ozark Mountains.

And I'd be honored to shake the hand of the guy who completed that amazing multi-continent tour recently chronicled here on the Forum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 08:21 pm:

I appreciate both sides of the hobby... I drive the wheels off my junk, but one of my favorite shows to attend every year is the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals in Chicago. 500 cars show up, and I'd guess the "average" is $150,000+. REAL Shelbys, Boss 429s, Cammers, HEMIs, L88s, Yenkos, and every other rare musclecar you can imagine. Many well known race cars with documented history, etc. Cars I could never afford, much less keep clean... but it's cool to see the history of that era. Those events bring out the collector cars so the average guy like me has a chance to see them in person rather than just pictures in a magazine or computer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 08:33 pm:

If you make it to southern Kansas, do drop in and set a spell here at the farm. We don't have the "mountains" they do in Arkinsaw, but we do have some pretty fair Model T roads. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dena & Dennis Gorder on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 09:14 pm:

Make certain to come to Wisconsin, but not in the winter. We have some cars that are drivers and some great roads and beautiful scenery. I agree with Norman. I enjoy working on the older cars, we really enjoy driving them and we really have enjoyed meeting all the great people in the old car hobby. The hobby would not be fun for us without the people.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 09:24 pm:

I've done 50's - 60's cars for nearly 40 years ... from a time they were just old "beaters". I have
seen a culture grow up around them that approaches your description of the "silver spoon" crowd.
The numbers-matching, big money snooty guys who turn a hobby into a business, ... more about
the money and showing up your peers than that old dirt-under-your-fingernails getting out there and
having fun hobby thing. It is one reason I am attracted to the "lowly" Model T and it's crowd.
Seems a lot more here have their feet still firmly planted on the ground.

Personally, I am not interested in static car shows, am strongly against competitive judged events,
and am all about driving them as real cars (trucks, in my case) and the camaraderie that comes with
like minded friends helping and doing things with each other.

Turning cars into paperweights and status points not only makes no sense to me, it seems a hijacking
of a hobby and pleasure time I hold dear. It seems any time big money comes into something, the quality
of the experience goes down the drain.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 09:50 pm:

It seems sad, that the car that put America on wheels is now a thing that has to be put on wheels and carted round to show off the beauty of it's antiquity in a suspended state. I've never understood that frame of mind. Model T was built as a mode of travel, maybe not as stylishly as some of the other old cars, but travel it did and still does.

There is nothing more beautiful to me than seeing somebody do what of people today would and do consider impossible with a car that did it originally in the first place.

Half the fun of owning a Model T is driving it, not staring at it, driving it!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Van Evera on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 10:57 pm:

This is a very interesting subject... I think it all boils down to "different strokes for different folks." What one man thinks is neat isn't necessarily another man's cup of tea. We are care-takers of these old cars and enjoying them now is fun. When we "go"....... well, who knows???

If you are ever 70 miles north of Green Bay, WI. Constantine, we've a place for you and your T.....and great touring roads, but as Dennis Gorder said, "not in the winter!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 11:50 pm:

Constantine,
And of course we would expect you to make some of the upcoming events around the central U.S. such as the Speedster Reunion in Lincoln Nebraska.

In all seriousness, a trip to Detroit for the Old Car Festival is a "must see."

Hope to see you there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 05:56 am:

I like doing both. We certainly drive our cars. Maybe not as much as some, but I'd bet more than the average owner of antique cars. But I enjoy going to shows as well. When we go to a show, I'm not there for a trophy. I usually get one, but not because mine are anything spectacular. More so because they give out dang near as many trophies as there are cars. What I like about shows is that it is an opportunity to talk with people and educate them on the cars. The Model T is such a neat compilation of interesting systems. I like to show people how the ignition works, how the transmission works (I have a transmission on display they can turn by hand and see the triple gears), how the cooling system circulates without the need for a pump. These are all such neat and interesting things. People are just amazed when they see them. That is why I like my cars original and unmodified. Hard to show someone how a buzz coil works when you have a distributor. Hard to show someone how thermosyphon works when you have a water pump. Hard for someone to appreciate the marvel of a planetary transmission when there's a 3 speed sitting right behind it.

My favorite show is about 50 miles from here. We usually take both T's. I drive the Touring over there and my wife follows me in the F-150 pulling the TT on a trailer. Could the TT make it 50 miles? Certainly, but it would take a while and hold up a lot of traffic on the way, so we trailer it. Neither of these T's is restored per se. Both have been repainted sometime in their life, but both need it again, along with some body work. They are not show cars, but I do enjoy showing them.

We also have a Model A. It is totally restored. Yes, we did it ourselves. All but the engine. I don't have a machine shop and I got a warranty if I let him assemble it rather than me assemble it after he did the machining, so I opted for the warranty. Other than buying an upholstery kit, which we installed, we did the rest. It won an AACA 1st Junior which I am very proud of. That's the only trophy I have that means anything to me. The rest get tossed eventually. This car used to get driven a lot. That was until we got the T's. They are just so much more fun, the poor A gets neglected. We like to drive it in the mountains. In the name of expediency, we trailer it there and drive it while there, then trailer it home. While it is nice, it is beginning to show its miles. While it sometimes rides on a trailer, it is not a trailer queen. It sometimes gets shown at local shows, but it doesn't attract the crowd that the T's do. And it's not as interesting. It has a distributor and a water pump and a stick shift. Heck, it's no different than a modern car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 06:34 am:

Friends, friends and more friends.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Yoder on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 07:45 am:

To Me the hobby isn't about Show cars. I enjoy them but don't want one. I like Go cars. Enjoy taking something that has set for the last 50 years and turn it into my primary vacation vehicle and travel. I prefer the back roads. I do not consider my T's restored but rather preserved. Perfect unmolested patina I like best but I have trouble not giving my cars some Black preservative.
As David C said Friends. Traveling I meet people from all over the world.
Once my hood ornament Peed on a Ladies Dress . She told Me( We know all about that statue we are from Brussels Belgium.) I think we spent more than a Hour talking in the parking lot. Just so much fun traveling.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 11:31 am:

There are so many enjoyable aspects of the Model T hobby that I can't pick just one. I like the research, reading the history and finding what belongs on a particular car. I like the browsing for parts and accessories at swap meets and finding bargains at auctions. I like learning about my T's by working on them. I like driving them simply because they're fun to drive, and because people enjoy seeing them and even posing for pictures in them, and because seeing or riding in a T may be the spark that ignites somebody's interest. And I like visiting with T folks, who tend to be good company.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 11:55 am:

It had always been my intention to pull up out front one day and ask my wife to come out front "to look
at something" and there the TT would be. See, my vehicles tend to be projects and I know she is weary
of projects and would just like to see something DONE. The 26 is a nice truck and this was to be a surprise
for her.

But the new house had lots of delays and here it is well into the winter weather, and the poor truck has
sat stashed in a friend's barn as I plod along with the house. Well, last week I finally got a lid on the place,
and with some organizing and cleaning up, I now have a spot to get it in the shop, so last night I gave up on
the surprise and just told her. She was really excited and insists we go bring it home today.

As has been mentioned here before, I've been doing fin-era cars (and a few others) for decades, and one
of the biggest jollies I find one can get from ownership and driving of an oldie is the smiles it puts on the
faces of passersby, and the stories some will approach you with. The T era cars are amazing for this, and
as mentioned in the "Do you own other antiques ?" thread, everything I do revolves around old stuff, and
simply driving a truck like mine brings the crazies out of the woodwork. To me, THAT is where the "car show"
happens. Rubbing elbows with the same old friends is great, but the big thrill for me comes in the unpredictable ...
the little kids that chase your rig down the fenceline, the old guy at the gas station who tells you all about his
Uncle's T truck when he was a kid, or the rancher that invites you out to his barn to look at the one hiding in
the back. THAT is my car show, and the "trophy" is putting smiles on people faces, which puts one on mine !

I am about to dive head first into the mechanical angle, but I sure enjoy that aspect with my other cars.
I like being able to tell what every little noise is and be completely on top of the machine to understand its
quirks and remedy them as needed. I am lucky to live in Spokane and have such a wonderful support "family"
right here in town. I can hardly wait for the decent weather to return ! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 03:45 pm:

Back around 1960 I had restored a 31 A Phaeton. I was so proud of it. I had purchased it as a body from a wrecking yard and worked several years to restore it. I drove it to my parents' home and proudly asked my mother if she would like a ride in it. She said," I rode in all those old cars I cared to ride in, when they were new." That took the wind our of my sales. But I keep on restoring old cars anyway. Just not appreciated by my mother. She is now no longer here to say that.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 03:46 pm:

Back around 1960 I had restored a 31 A Phaeton. I was so proud of it. I had purchased it as a body from a wrecking yard and worked several years to restore it. I drove it to my parents' home and proudly asked my mother if she would like a ride in it. She said," I rode in all those old cars I cared to ride in, when they were new." That took the wind our of my sales. But I keep on restoring old cars anyway. Just not appreciated by my mother. She is now no longer here to say that.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Albert Belling on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 06:09 pm:

This is one of the best parts of the old car hobby. My grand-kids love it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 11:00 pm:

Norman,
It's sad that your Mother couldn't see what you had accomplished and appreciated that. Once in a while my Dad would drive my Model A & I was always amazed at how smoothly he could make it run, even though he hadn't been in one for years.
He was impressed with how quiet my A was, thought it should "rattle" more! :-)
Unfortunately he isn't around to see any of my T's done.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 07:26 am:

Constantine - I really echo your sentiments. Unfortunately, where I live, a lot of people think the Model T belongs in the Pebble Beach category. I grew up in the USA and my take is that a car must be driven in order to get full enjoyment out of it.

The five day long "Auto Retro" in Barcelona ends today. Lots of cars and parts for sale. There are NO Model T's there (not even a Model A) and just a very few parts you could count on one hand. When you do find something for a T it normally from France and the price is enough to make your hair stand on end, but at least there is some Model T activity in that country.

Can't wait to get mine back on the road. Getting my wife's life work project off the ground has taken up all extra funds, but some light is beginning to shine at the end of the tunnel! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 08:23 am:

Means spending lots of money! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Rosenkrans on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 10:53 am:

I am fortunate to have my Dad's '26 T Touring Car. He loved to tell the story about how their Country Club in Denver had its 75th anniversary and wanted to have a car from each year lined up along the 18th fairway with a car from the founding year, 1926, on the 18th green. All the other cars were Packards, Cadillacs, Pierce Arrows, etc., but the car on the 18th green was Dad's humble Model T. It was also one of the few that were driven to the event. Guess what appeared in the local paper as well?

I love looking at the really high-end stuff, and a lot of those folks do drive and enjoy their cars. Some even do most of their own work. I still like my Fords though, although we now have a couple non-Fords as well, but they're military and kind of a different genre.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 11:47 am:

My mother did eventually ride in the Model A. But the first time I took it to their home, she wouldn't. Many years later, she also rode in my first Model T. It was just not exciting to her. Just another "old car".
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 11:58 am:

I tried to take my parents for a ride in our Touring. We got 1/4 mile down the road and my Mom started complaining it was blowing her hair. She wanted me to turn around and take her back to the downtown area where she went "Antiquing" in the stores while my Dad and I made an afternoon of it riding in the car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Houston, Broken Arrow, OK on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 11:59 am:

Constantine, or Anyone, would be welcome to come to the Model T Garage in Broken Arrow, OK; where you can ride in (or drive) Model T Speeders, a stock 1913 Pickup, or even ride in the side car of a 1921 Indian Motocycle; See a Model A powered Pietenpol 2 place aircraft and a 1914 WWI Ambulance, and a Smith Formatruck, all in progress. And other fun stuff.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 12:24 pm:

My wife says I have too many dust collectors, if I want a car it needs to be drivable so that she doesn't have to dust it! My cars don't win trophy's but the provide many hours of enjoyment.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 01:23 pm:

Fred - You say the Model T Garage is in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma but it sounds like it's really in HEAVEN!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 01:45 pm:

Fred's Garage is a fun (and educational) place to go and spend some time. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dale Peterson College Place, WA on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 02:59 pm:

When I finished the 15 Touring, I drove over to my Grandmother's. she was born one month before Daisy came off the line in Detroit. She was eager to go for a ride and told me the story of her first driving lesson as a 16 year old. She was walking home from Bliss, Idaho to the farm on clover Creek when a young man in his recently acquired Model T drove up and asked if she would like a ride. She accepted and on the way, he stopped and asked her if she would like to try driving. She tried to decline, but he insisted. After a little coaching, they were off down the dirt road. Shortly she got off the side of the road and into the ditch (pronounced "borrow pit" in southern Idaho. The front wheel caught in a culvert and wrecked the car. She felt bad, but with a grin she told me "he never asked me out after that."
Constantine, if you ever make it out to the Northwest, there are lots of great places to drive Model T's. I have had Daisy out to the San Juan Islands, up Mount Rainier, over the Going to the Sun Road in Glacier National park, and on many back roads with sparse traffic but wonderful scenery. "By the seat of your pants tours" are my favorite with small groups.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 04:22 pm:

The 2005 Hillbilly Tour visited Fred's Model T Garage in Broken Arrow. What great memories I have of that tour....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vince M on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 04:53 pm:

The sentiment in this country has gotten such that a rich guy is automatically a jerk or non deserving of his wealth....or his hobby.

Most of us would trade our T's in a heart beat for a pebble beach concourse winner.

These guys have to respect their cars as do we. They are only leasing them too.

The cars they own are likely one of a kind...driving the wheels off of a one of a kind winner wouldn't be the smartest thing in the world to do.

Jay Leno fits into this category......

I build for many extremely wealthy people - billionaires sometimes.

What i find is for the most part they bend over backwards to be respectful of those who cant have anything they want when they want it. They understand those who struggle everyday.

It is rare if ever i hear someone financially blessed make fun of those who are not. Yes there are some, but the press and Hollywood paints them all with the snobbery brush.

Why on earth is it ok to act like these aren't people just like us? If it isn't jealousy, then what is it?

Sorry Constantine...I am sure you didn't intend it as it sounds to me. Your accomplishments are incredible in any ones book....you would be surprised how many pebble beach winners would be in awe of your quests and would really enjoy a hour of your time in conversation.

Remember - they have problems we cant even begin to understand. I am glad there are people out there that are willing to spend the time and money on cars like this so they don't disappear forever.

Vince M


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Constantine on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 05:02 pm:

Thanks everyone for your replies.

No date or plans yet for my 2015 trip to the USA, but it certainly would be a highlight of the trip meeting some of the old car people on this forum.

The Model T Garage in Broken Arrow sounds great.

I've actually been to the The Old Car Festival at The Henry Ford. Yes, great event; I'd go again for sure.

Vince, my post wasn't an anti-rich rant; in fact, most weeks I buy a lotto ticket in the hope I'll join their ranks. I did though use satire to poke some fun at these "elite" and their groupies that inevitably turn up at such events. In the past I've poked fun at the muscle car guys, hot-rodders and rat-rodders; so I'm an equal opportunity derider. It's all in fun though...you think non-T old car guys don't poke fun at us?

There of course are cars too expensive and/or too valuable in a historic sense to use on public roads or to drive at all. I think events like Pebble Beach have their place in the hobby and are great because they give an opportunity for the public to see such cars in the flesh.

The problem I have is with SOME of the people involved in the high end classic car business (not necessarily the car owners themselves). Specifically, their campaign to promote such cars and events as the pinnacle of the hobby. Makes no sense on a basic level that such cars could be the pinnacle of the hobby as anyone of has spent a day driving an old car could attest to.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Constantine on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 05:32 pm:

Oh yes, almost forgot.

Burger's story above got me thinking. There are many guys on this forum with so many great tales to tell about experiences with Model Ts and the old car hobby as well as tips and ideas that you'll never find in books. I especially find the stories from the older guys who remember the 1950s and 60s fascinating.

Wouldn't it be great to come up with a way to preserve some of these stories and knowledge?


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