Right hand drive hogs head and band questions help

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Right hand drive hogs head and band questions help
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 08:52 pm:

I put together an engine that is going into a right hand drive speedster but now that it is together and sitting in the frame I have a feeling that I (and the customer)may have future issues. I started with someones else project that was sold to my customer so what I had to start with was a bunch of parts. I put this together like a LH drive with some differences.
The hogs head is pre 1926 starter type. I may have mix parts to work with and may not work the way they should.
I made new shafts for all three pedals. The reverse and brake I made with the short stub like US style for quick change bands. The low band longer shaft threaded and grooved (I farmed the groove out). I must say for my second try at turning (the first set was the wrong material) I did a good job. (drill rod does not hand thread very well :-( and I spaced and under cut the stub for the band ear)

1 Did RH use quick change bands?

The space looks way too small to get the band out compared to LH hogs head.

2 Was the cam on the shaft for reverse and brake different between the early and late hogs head?

3 If quick change bands were used what did the outside adjusters look like?

Right now the threads on the adjusters are only using about 1/2 +/- inch of threads and the adjusters are sticking way outside the hogs head. The shoulder of the adjuster is just coming into view through the hole any more then that and the bands lock up, these bands have used lining so not as thick as new.

4 The US left hand drive spring were very tight getting in, do RH use the same springs as US?

The low pedal/shaft/band at this point is the only one I seem not to be having issues with, except, man that is a tight space to get the nut and washer into!

5 Do the removable ears go on the right side?

If someone could post photo of these parts for pre introduction of quick change bands(?) and after a would be great help. Or even some encouraging help would be great.

Sorry I don't have any photos, I was putting the engine back together right up to the time he picked it up.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Kable on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 09:30 pm:

As a first step here is the instruction for RHD
installation of quick change bands. You should be able to work it out from them.

The RHD version of the hogs head is basically a mirror image except the Low is adjusted internally and the Reverse and brake are adjusted externally they use all the same parts, adjusters etc
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Tuesday, December 09, 2014 - 12:08 am:

Thank you very much. This info is what I need to see. I am at a loss when I comes to the right hand stuff as I have never worked with it before, very uncharted waters.
:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Tuesday, December 09, 2014 - 06:40 pm:

I just love the second last paragraph in the instructions Peter posted.
"You may have some little difficulty........"

I gave up, after trying once, to ever change quick change bands.

Call me a quitter if you like.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Tuesday, December 09, 2014 - 09:22 pm:

With the cam mounted the way they are on brake and reverse, there is a lot less room then left hand drive. From the photos looks like it can be done...I am thinking Ha!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnH on Wednesday, December 10, 2014 - 12:07 am:

Yes it can be done; took me 20 mins to change the brake band last time I did it back in 2006. It's due again and I won't be taking the hogshead off just for that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Wednesday, December 10, 2014 - 02:36 am:

After changing my own bands for 35 + years and helping many others (both in their garages or in hotel parking lots while on tour) I will agree with John H. Changing one band by yourself is about a 20 minute, or a 1 beer job with quick change bands. If you have help it can turn into a 3 or more beer job! If you don't have quick change bands then schedule a day or so and be sure to have some sour mash available. If you have help with the non quick change bands you need to include some BBQ (and maybe some bandages) with the sour mash! Your mileage may vary.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Wednesday, December 10, 2014 - 03:26 am:

To be honest, while I have not "changed" bands in a right wheel drive car I did help a newbie remove his quick change bands from his RWD car. Even with coaching it did not take much more time than a LWD car. If he had new linings available it would not have taken much more than an hour to do the whole job. Again, I have done this many times but there is no reason to be afraid of this procedure. Take your time, COUNT, and stuff the transmission with rags to mitigate dropping nuts or washers into the transmission. (dropping stuff into a transmission will change the need for sour mash to some of the stuff available here in Colorado in a hurry) After you have done it a time or two it will become second nature. IMHO it is a good idea to invite some new T guys over and supply libations and BBQ after the job!!! That way everyone wins.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerome Hoffman, Hays KS on Wednesday, December 10, 2014 - 01:03 pm:

Paul, I think I need to tow my T back home for some help changing the bands at your house, sounds like fun not work. Jerry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Wednesday, December 10, 2014 - 04:34 pm:

I had quick change bands in my 1925 - useless. I am with Allan Bennett, I too remove the transmission cover. It is easier and allows the bands to put back in without being distorted or bent. Each unto their own.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Wednesday, December 10, 2014 - 11:18 pm:

I don't mean to be argumentative, David, but I have a different point of view. Of all the work I've done on Model T's (which is quite a bit), my LEAST favorite task is replacing the hogshead. If I need to do that, I pull the engine so it's at least accessible on my engine stand.

If you'd rather do it in the car, power to you. I know it can be done that way in a pinch, but I prefer not to. :-)

Working on Model T's is supposed to be FUN, and replacing the hogshead in a car is NOT. (At least not for me.) :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Wednesday, December 10, 2014 - 11:52 pm:

Pulling the hogs head in the car is not much fun. If I owned a Center Door T I would think about selling the car before changing the bands with or without quick change bands!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Thursday, December 11, 2014 - 12:01 am:

Jerome,

I need a days notice before you bring the car by for bands. It takes that long to prepare some good really good BBQ! T's should be about fun and fellowship!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Thursday, December 11, 2014 - 09:45 am:

I do own a Centerdoor and I DID have to remove the hogshead in the car as I DID get a detachable ear band "stuck in the Abyss" - I should have just pulled the engine out like Mike suggests but being "younger & dumber" (that was quite some time ago) - figured I could do that - piece a cake - yea, right !


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