we need a way for people on this forum, that don't want to comment on a topics because they have to write out a comment. I think our forum can be best served by increasing more members to participate. If there is a way that a person can just click on a comment as a positive response. It adds more to the conversation. I'm just saying.... I'm NOT unhappy about this forum! I have asked questions, and got great advice! I'm just saying as forums go, I think we need a up date.
If you mean something trite as in "like" on Facebook, no we do not need that.
I like this Forum just the way it is
Like a Model T, we need to preserve it. I don't even use Facebook. I like this forum just as it is.
It isn't broke,so don't "fix" it.
What's Facebook ??
I was just making a suggestion. So any one want to talk about the e timer......
I "like" it "like" it is
We DO NOT need a capability for readers to "rate" Forum posts. That is for people too lazy to make their reasoned point and support it.
We DO need technical interchange where posters and readers can draw their own conclusions of the truth.
We might disagree with the conclusion, but the concluder (sic) solely owns his decision.
Ron the Coilman
Dunno but i wanted to see what a live chatroom like they had back in the old days would be like on here, Like every topics listed thing has livechat link added, Back in 2011 there was heaps of livechats going and you sign in as any name and type stuff and people can express themselves.
I was thinking about how it was back then the other day, what a mess on these T forums! People commenting on something someone said in the middle of the string starting a new string there in the middle. UCK!
Thanks Steve J! I do like that.
I guess from some of the comments above that I am not the only one that likes this site the way it is.
Actually, I started writing. Then began ranting. Decided to delete most of it.
Drive carefully, and do enjoy the holidays! W2
Maybe a live video chat option to properly debate e-timers, engine oil, disc brakes and the Model K?
The biggest benefit of this Forum is the ability to read the comments people make. That is where we learn new/old ideas.
In some ways this forum is very much like the Model T itself. Very basic and old fashioned but does the job.
I agree with Jack, Dennis, and Constantine....keep it the way it is! It works! If Chris can somehow increase the size for posted pics, which seems to be most of the so-called "complaints", then it'll be perfect. But re-sizing pics isn't that hard anyway. Just my 2 cents.
This forum is just fine the way it is. Please don't change a thing.
Yes, this is fine. Easy to use. A higher limit on picture file size would be nice, not to eliminate resizing but to allow resizing big enough to fill the screen. My two cents. If everybody puts in 2¢ we'll soon have a dollar.
If it ain't broke, don't raise the hood!
Darn, for a short time I though I could just sit in my recliner and occasional have a clicking device set up to say that I like the post.
That sure would make it easy.
Christmas is getting close, I hope everyone enjoys the holidays and keep posting.
From the Home page of the
Model T Ford Club of America website:
The focus of our Forum is to provide a place where questions and answers regarding the history, maintenance and restoration of the Model T can be shared.
Just can't understand how "like" -"don't like" buttons can fulfill the mission of the Forum.
(then again, there are many things that I don't understand).
(Message edited by Adave on December 20, 2014)
Lets stick with the focus of the MTFCA. It works great and cant be any better than it is.
I think the "Like" - "Disagree" feature on some sites is good for political debate and the color of your daughters lipstick. On the Model T discussion site I can't imagine what would be gained with this feature. If I post something about, hmmm..., water pumps, there will be plenty of spirited commentary, which is good, because the rational for or against them will be debated here, and we will learn something.
Do I care if some lazy slob "likes" or "disagrees" with my post? NO! This is a discussion site not a polling site.
I'll meet Steve's $.02 and raise $.04.
Love this Forum just the way it is! Wish I could get around in the MTFCI new Forum like I can with this one, but probably just takes more practice until I learn everything.
On second thought, maybe we need Hate, Loathe, and Despise buttons for posts that degenerate into politics.
Advantages of this type forum are:
Can take the time to organize thoughts and write them out. Read and edit my own post before sending.
Finish a thought before being interrupted by someone else who has a different idea.
Go back later and read what others had to say about the subject.
Respond if and when I wish to do so.
Ask for help when I need advice about the best way to correct a problem.
Keep it as is.
So far i think i see [we] as in one? Bud.
This site's format has worked well for several years. Other sites with different formats have much less participation. Nuff said?
Oh boy,.......I can just see what's coming! Seems like everything has to change,.....eventually, whether we like it or not. I can see the day coming when I'll become "un-friended" or something, by a bunch of newbies on this forum, and then what?
If I live a typical full lifespan, I will likely get off this bus about 2040-2050. It will be interesting to see
where our societal "head" is when we keep gravitating towards less meaningful lives and shifting "value"
paradigms to where we think our "vote" on some web forum somehow is supposed to fulfill us.
I was lucky enough to catch the tail end of the pre-war agrarian generation and lived in a place where
this was still of some meaning and value to where it rubbed off on me and I appreciated the views, comments,
and behaviors of that "old school" way of thinking.
I now see myself straddling an abyss of thinking, where the oldsters are croaking off and taking the old
think with them, and a nuevothink hipster crowd moving in that has no idea what sweat, dirt, or seasons
are about. Everything is funneled through a prism of cyber-whatever and being "liked" by people you will
never know and may not even really exist.
Remember a world before we had "self esteem" ? Dad would put a boot to your axx and tell you to go
mend the fences, feed the horses, or get the hay in. There was no nonsense about personal "value". You
knew your value because you worked hard and had something to show for it. No group hugs, no "likes",
no counselors telling you about "hurt feelings" or repressed memories ! Get to work, dammit !
No, I don't want your ugly-axx vinyl siding, no you can't text me, get your Tupperware Lexus off my American
road, and what the hell is a facebook ?
A facebook is a book used to hit people in the face. So go to a book store and get busy
Just can't help thinking how dull life would be if we "liked" or "disliked" what was posted.
Who would post?
Dialogue - conversation - civil disagreements are what make life interesting, no?
What an interesting thread this became - without buttons.
Well, I don't know if this is a "better" way to react to a posting, but here's a "different" way to react to a post by "Burger in Spokane" that appears above in this thread:
Mr. Burger, I've noticed of late that your posts are quite interesting and reflect an extremely varied style of writing. And further, I read your post above and marveled at the fact that contrary to most of us "T" guys (certainly me included) you wrote that rather lengthy post without one single solitary "typo". (I thought......) But then, came the term "nuevothink hipster crowd". And,........unfortunately,.........you blew it! "Nuevo think" is actually two words. However, the good news is that fortunately, nobody'd ever notice, right? I sure wouldn't have except that I had to look up the word, and frankly, I actually did find it, but I still don't know what it means!
Just "yank'n yer' chain Mr. Burger. You are a guy I'd never mince words with, and I guess this is an example of why one of my sons often tells me,......"Dad,.....you need more to do!" And I guess he's right, huh?
By the way Mr. Burger,.....I learned one from you awhile back that I really get a kick out of, and being a fellow "Washingtonian", and, having a daughter-in-law that's from Spokane, I've used it a time or two. "Spokanistan". I like that one. But nuevothink,......ahhh.......not so much! However, spell check doesn't like either one of 'em! Ha,ha,......harold
nouveau thinkers hipster crowd
John: I was reading this thread and am active on Facebook as well. I see your point and agree that we need to be open minded to the next generation of potential Model T owners. There should be room for multiple forums and avenues of communication in this hobby/passion. In our local Long Beach Model T Club, we just recruited a new member by having an event at a local high school and then following up with an interested student. He downloaded our membership application from our website and now is a new active member! A success story I would say.
Let's keep open minds as to how we publish and communicate information about these historic vehicles.
By the way, I noticed your vehicle photo on your profile & must say that you have Great Taste in Model T's
Facebook is just a rumor mill for teenagers and nozey neighbors. It allowed for a small problem we had at the local fire-department to be debated all the way over in some overseas country.
This forum works well and is a huge benefit to the hobby.
Another way to think about it is there. When the "other" forum shows up here to be ciphered and discussed and repairs commended,that should ring a bell that this ol forum is doing it's job well.
"Nuevothink" doesn't trip my spellcheck. Not sure what THAT means ...
But to 'splain .... I am pulling on Orwell for the inspiration of the single word construction with the word "think".
Been too many years since reading "1984", but it it was a central theme to training the drone population to all
conform to the gov't.
I think this forum lacks in sufficient, effective censorship. It seems open to some of the lowest life forms and social miscreants allowed to walk amongst us. These undesirables attack our moral fiber and cause the deterioration of an already weakened decency taught us by previous generations. I think it's time for us to come together and form a vigilante that respects our Christian heritage and brings down those that continuously offer up "off topic" posts that serve absolutely no purpose in the advancement of our noble hobby. It's time to come together as a group and censor those that can't follow in the footsteps of the judicial and righteous posters of bygone days. Posters that knew how to follow that path of on-topic threads we have all learned to pattern our own posts from. Because it goes without saying that some of us don't like how others of us express ourselves. Feel free to show your intentions regarding allegiance to the comprehensive censorship of this forum by marking;
[ ] Like -or- [ ] Dislike
After-all what the hell you got to lose?
Mike, your above comments have pushed me back into second place for the "Rant of the Year Award"...well done!
I am a younger guy here (40), I refuse things like Facebook and the previous My Space. They are just fads that come and go eventually--and I still haven't figured out why it is so "cool" to have everyone know your business. And I for one come to post and read posts so I can mainly learn more about Model T's and other early Ford items---How would I learn anything if someone posts a question and there are no answers, just a bunch of "likes".
I don't mind some change, this Forum is kind of unconventional compared to other forums, but it seems to work pretty good if you stick around and don't mind some spirited debates. So like trying to switch your T over to 12 volts, don't do it. Leave the forum alone like the original T (6 volt distributors are ok though, haha).
I was (more or less) "forced" to join facebook because both of my daughters post so many grandkid pictures there. (not a good idea, but ......)
Something to remember though, there's no law that says anything you put on ANY internet site has to be accurate!
Several days after I joined facebook, my oldest called to let me know that she didn't know I was only 30 years old and employed by the CIA.
BTW I kinda like the forum as it is.
Facebook is a handy way for relatives and friends to share what they're up to. I enjoy seeing some of the activities of folks all over the country who I otherwise get to see only at family reunions if they're able to get here, and I can show them what's going on here.
It's also fun to ridicule some of the preposterously delusional political twaddle and silly fake quotes.
Most internet quotes are bogus. ~ Abraham Lincoln
What is Tweet and Face Book? Is that something erlse that the forum programs have built in or is it an addon?
In your post you mentioned a couple of things, but do you not also think that Personal Space should be in there also. My parents were always getting in "My Personal Space," as did my siblings, and there is nothing wrong with me, that I can blame on them.
Constantine, Careful with that "rant of the year" stuff. That rant I said I deleted? I kind of lied. I transferred it into a drafts folder.
Mike G, Cabin fever setting in already? I always enjoy your posts.
Steve J, Your posts are always among the best!
As for Facebook. A couple years ago, my wife decided I needed something else to keep me out of the shop and in the house. So she signed me up for Facebook. I tried to use it a bit. I will agree, that IF properly used, it is a good way to keep in touch with old friends and family both near and far.
Then the "computer people" did what they do best. They made unnecessary changes and screwed it up. I am so fed up with their game-playing-mindset that I haven't even tried to use it most of this past year. (The ONLY thing I did with it all year was a condolences on a long-time best friend's site when he died.)
Hey, Burger! Is my almost 50 year old, over 3 inch thick, 7 X 10 inch dictionary adequate?
Yes, I do like this site. Not only is it the best antique automobile site on the web? (My opinion at least) I also like the "back porch" feel keeping in touch with so many of the people I consider to be my friends.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
BOY! John F. you REALLY got em fired up didn't you???
Hey what do you expect from a bunch of fellas who drive 100 year old history???
That's something they do when we are at a store. OH Yeah, excuse me they DO use a charge card!
But like it as we may... we are ALL going to have to accept change. It comes whether we like it or not. Most of us like what we are comfortable with. John, that is because most of us are OLD!!!
BUT JOHN, There IS hope for those guys!!!! THEY are using the computer!!!! Don't tell anyone I said that!
I agree with the fact that we need some changes on this forum. Mine is because I have a lot going on and I don't live on here daily. I DO read many of everyone's threads. I respond only sometimes. I would like to know how to find where I responded so that I could read anyone's comments on what I wrote. Good or bad. Interesting to know I think. I put in my 2 cents and on several I have found later some do not like it. So I do not respond that much. If they liked what little I have said then I have not seen any of it. I am only on maybe once a week if that much. BUT WE ARE ALL DOVES OF A FEATHER. We like the past. We like the Model T. We take an interest in fixing and knowledge of where to go to get the RIGHT parts for our needs.
Again folks WE DO NOT ELECT ANYONE. That is all done in the back rooms and donations with $$$$ people!!! We could ALL stay home and NOT vote and still someone would be put in office. I use to really care about voting. Watching ALL of the debates, etc. Believed in Voting. But NOT any more! If you are going to mention politics than just say so in the title of a different thread. I only pull up threads that interest me anyway. I am sure many are the SAME way. Do not bring in into a thread that was about a Model T problem.
Joe in MO.
It is my humble opinion that censorship would degrade the "back porch" feel of this forum to a point it would not be fit to use or nearly as enjoyable. I can understand some removal of personal remarks meant to demean someone or the need to delete a outright lie.But just censorship to a point of no off topic post? Eh,to much censorship.We all have other hobby's and such that we like to share with each other and frankly I don't know of another forum that most of us are on that off topic matter could be discussed.
For example I ask a seriously off topic question as to where to get a 1/8 diameter pin about 3/4 inch long and a link was provided and now that problem can be solved.All thanks to the knowledge of some here.
We can all learn from each other.Let's be civil and enjoy ourselves while we are still free to do so.
You just reminded me of something...and this is way OT, but then again, it shows why "like" buttons may not do the whole job.
There has been a lot written about "new-fangled" gas shut off vales - those ball valves with levers. I've looked locally and could not find any. If anyone is interested, I ordered a couple of these. Comes spring when the snow & ice melt, I can install them and tell how they work. In the meantime, for the curious folks in warmer climes, here's the link:
When I went through Academy, part of the coursework was privacy and keeping a low profile. In one part,
the instructors asked us recruits if any of us used Facebook or similar and asked for a show of hands. They
then asked one to volunteer some basic info about themselves and proceeded to hack into this person's account
and post a bunch of stuff showing them as a child molester.
They then said "See how easy that was ? Now, if WE can do it, don't you think there are bad guys who can
do it too ?"
Message taken ... keep your life off social media.
Actual mileage may vary.
One of the "benefits" of being on slooooow dial-up, is that Facebook doesn't work well, if at all.
As to this forum, I love it the way it is, with the small limitation on photos, etc. I can still enjoy it without waiting a half-hour for anything to come on the screen.
I tried facebook for a couple of weeks. Didn't do anything for me but make me very frustrated.I don't care what people are doing in the back yard or at the store or whatever, makes no sense to me. Finally found out how to get out of the whole damn mess and did that. What a waste of time. JMHO Dave
All set aside: The Forum software is no longer supported nor developed, so it is not possible to change anything. It's probably a challenge in it self keeping it up and running.
Being someone who tries to have an open mind I cant see the benefit of Facebook or Twitter.
I don't need to know or want to know what other people are doing other than what they are doing with their T when it comes to this website.
Likes or dislikes? Forget that all together.
People who have to get their jollies or minute by minute buzz can do it elsewhere but not here.
If I want to let people know about this and that I simply call them or use email.
I have a friend whose wife posts constantly to FB. I happened to look at her FB page several months back. I saw images of the motel room where they stayed on their last trip, pictures of the restaurant they ate at, and a constantly updated map showing their progress as they traveled home. It made me feel like a stalking creep just looking at what she herself made public. I don't understand it either guys. Also, I'm very bothered by the mindless attachment to smart phones, especially for younger folks. They are tuned into those things to exclusion of all else. It's like a drug.
To the original poster, don't be put off by the response here. You had a suggestion that you thought would improve the forum. Just turns out that most folks would rather not make that change.
I'm not sure how Facebook and Twitter got into the conversation but I don't think it has anything to do with John's original proposal.
There are many sites that use a "Helped" indicator without the need to post a response to a thread. It's often referred to as a "REP" for reputation. You simply click on an icon and enter a short note such as a 'thank you' or 'that helped me a lot'. You do have to be signed on though. The reps accumulate and sometimes indicated as stars or badges when the recipient of the rep posts to the forum.
There's also common restrictions to the reps. Like you can't give the same person a rep unless you've given others, usually ten, an intervening rep too. And the reps you receive only count towards your reputation if you rep others. It's sort of a balanced way to handle reputations instead of it turning into a popularity contest.
The problem is that it requires new software. IIRC, MTFCA software is no longer available and hasn't been updated since 2009. The fixes done here are accomplished by the grace of volunteers on their own time. And the new software takes a huge amount of storage space and dedicated maintenance. There is a book full of options for new forum software. Not to mention training and programming knowledge for some options. The current MTFCA forum is one of the simplest to use on the web. Others may work better and have more capabilities but they are "busier" as a screen goes and can be confusing to some. Let's not make it so it restricts it's use to only a few that are the most computer literate.
I have no face book, I have no twitter,I have no interest in making my every waking moment public! Now let's see I want to visit the 8x12 room with the hard seat where's my copy of readers digest.
Here's a sample of "reputation" that occurs in a sidebar next to someone's post. There are many variations so this is just one sample. It shows how helpful some members can be. It also shows some have no life and spend most of their time on a PC.
I use the Ford Barn forum and I must say that although it has some useful features this forum lacks, overall though I prefer this forum because the Ford Barn is too "busy". By that I mean there's too much information that hinders rather than helps such as avatars, advertising, a star rating for threads, number of views, number of replies, etc. Like trying to watch a movie on TV with the radio on.
If we ever must go to a new forum format we should find a design that keeps the positive aspects of this one.
I agree with keeping the present software/format as long as possible. That means some features I would like aren't possible, just as cruising all day at 70 mph in my Model T isn't possible. That's fine. This old 30 mph forum has the advantage of simplicity and familiarity for us elderly participants. Personally, I'm willing to "jump through the hoops" some other sites may require as long as I don't find them too complex and time-consuming. But the popularity of this one shows that it still works for a lot of us just as it is. Would I like a higher limit on picture file size? Sure. But the truth is, 194 KB is usually good enough. I suppose eventually this old, unsupported software will poop out, but as long as Chris can keep installing new electronic clinchers, belts, and thrust washers to keep it going, I'm for that.
I agree Steve, This format is easy to use and since I got smart enough to figure out how to reduce picture size I'm a happy camper with the site just as it is. Harv
By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Monday, December 22, 2014 - 10:28 am:
I have a friend whose wife posts constantly to FB. I happened to look at her FB page several months back. I saw images of the motel room where they stayed on
their last trip, pictures of the restaurant they ate at, and a constantly updated map showing their progress as they traveled home. It made me feel like a stalking
creep just looking at what she herself made public. I don't understand it either guys. Also, I'm very bothered by the mindless attachment to smart phones, especially
for younger folks. They are tuned into those things to exclusion of all else. It's like a drug.
To the original poster, don't be put off by the response here. You had a suggestion that you thought would improve the forum. Just turns out that most folks would
rather not make that change.
Very well put, Jerry.
You raise a really good point, what is the fascination with "stardom" ? Does the person posting their every move
really think they have an audience ? DO THEY have an audience ? That's even creepier ! What is this social "trend"
we are seeing ?
And yes, ... change can be good. But we need to emphasize GOOD over change just to facilitate some sort of
inconsequential mental masturbation.
Someday, the personal digital assistants, with their 24/7 access to the web and terabytes of information, will become so useful and seductive that people will want to have them implanted into their brains. Folks that choose not to be hooked up will find themselves at an informational and competitive disadvantage and will gradually fall by the wayside.
Then, once everybody is hooked up, some despot will figure out how to hack the system and we'll be well on our way to life as the Borg collective:
I was once into mental masturbation. Now I can hardly see my computer monitor.
You should have stopped when you needed glasses.
Naw,it just his hand hair,slowing him down. LOL.
Have this site on the images. Having them easier to send.
I gave up resizing. Get with the program here
But you can still open your Christmas Present .
Huh, okay, I'll quit now before you take this any farther. It's rough enough being ugly and single, in Minnesota, during the darkest part of Winter. Oh God, I'm so lonely...
I thought everyone was ugly and single in Minnesota ? Isn't that the State motto ?
Mike,get a dog,you'll thank me later..(G) Hang in there buddy. Spring is coming.
Only 88 days until mud season in the upper midwest.
Most people are a part of the borg collective already. Look at how helpless they become when the phone stops working.
Burger! I cannot believe you'd say such a thing. It hurts so bad when someone sees it necessary to say such horrible things about the women of another State. Granted, there's a bit of truth to what you're saying; well okay, there's a lot of truth to what you're saying. But, those of us who've been lucky enough to have wasted the better part of our lives with these darlin's are proud of our resolve. The blind among us will stand strong to defend their honor. The rest of us will go lay by our dish and shed tears as readily as any man who's spent several years in the Hanoi Hilton. I have to quit now. I'm pretty sure the depression I've cause with the male demographic of this state by stating these simple truths will result in anguish and torment that will last until the July thaw when we'll again be able to rise upon our hind legs. We'll go forth into the world in our Model T's and though a few of us might make it to the Iowa border we still understand the futility of our journey because alas, the only thing that will be there for us are the cornfed beasts of that flat boring State.
The older I get the less I like the new ,that reminds me my wife gave me a Sattley 5hp hit and miss Engine for Xmas I think I’m in the mood now for a taste of some old grease and oil and a side of barn dust, carry on and have a nice Xmas.
I am well acquainted with the Lake Wobegon outlook.
"Remember, friends, it could always be worse" - Keillor
God save us from Garrison Keillor. I live 5 miles North of the Wobegone trail. I believe Keillor has to be the most talentless person to ever claim to be from Minnesota. Although I think he has an awesome uni-brow.
And the Lake Wobegon motto:
"We are what we are."
certainly applies to all of us.
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT. I LIKE THE FORUM THE WAY IT IS. I HAVE Facebook, BUT I LIKE HOW THIS FORUM WORKS. thanks Chris.