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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Thursday, December 25, 2014 - 12:15 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Thursday, December 25, 2014 - 12:25 pm:

Must have been a timed exposure I see the guy by the first "T" on the left almost disappeared but the blur is there and you can clearly see his foot by the left front wheel. Nice photo.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Thursday, December 25, 2014 - 01:33 pm:

Not too long, though, or the cars in the middle of the street would have been blurred. I think the guy you're talking about was caught in the act of crank starting his car! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Thursday, December 25, 2014 - 09:09 pm:

Interesting how similar the main streets of many towns appear. Note the cobble stone street! That street is reminiscent of Europe. But the buildings look like the ones I remember as a boy. And I didn't live anywhere near Kansas!
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison North of Iowa on Thursday, December 25, 2014 - 09:20 pm:

How many Palace Bars and Palace theaters are there in this country?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux on Thursday, December 25, 2014 - 09:28 pm:

The bricks are gone, or maybe just covered up?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, December 25, 2014 - 09:37 pm:

Looking north on Main Street. For those unfamiliar with Midwestern pronunciation, the name of the town is "Elda-RAY-duh". Really. A hundred years ago many towns in this region were paving their streets, usually with brick.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, December 25, 2014 - 09:46 pm:

Ed, I'll bet the bricks are still there. About fifty years ago "progress" meant covering the bricks, which are pretty much permanent, with asphalt that has to be replaced every few years. I believe the applicable phrase is penny wise and pound foolish. That's what happened to the main street here. Fortunately a lot of the brick streets were left alone and we still have them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Thursday, December 25, 2014 - 10:23 pm:

Imagine a world where 35 mph was considered "really fast".

I often lament the lack of vision had when many of our freeways were built, callously destroying the old two
lanes they were supposed to replace in the process. I suppose the designers at the time saw putting TT-speed
vehicles firmly in the past as a good thing. I mean, in 1955, "the future" still looked like a never-ending upward
curve of better and better. But from a post-1980 viewpoint, I am not so sure all this "newest-is-best" thinking
is any real improvement. More like SOME good ideas with a lot of heavy losses along the way. Driving over the
Blue Mountains between Pendleton and LaGrande, Oregon, one can trace almost the entire two lane route that
follows the Oregon Trail, but at the LaGrande end, the last 10 miles were chopped up, forcing any thru-driver onto
the Interstate, ... the major E-W gateway through the region and a real deathtrap for the guy who wants to make
that short hop into LaGrande to continue on the old road. It's a real shame.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, December 25, 2014 - 10:55 pm:

In some places, especially in the West, there is no longer any local road and the Interstate is the only way from here to there. I agree, it's a shame. The good news is that in most places there is another way. A nice example is old US 66 through the Mojave Desert. Most of the traffic is on I-40, and the old road is practically deserted. Goffs, Fenner, Essex, Amboy, Ludlow, Bagdad, Newberry Springs, Daggett, and on to Barstow without ever setting rubber on the interstate.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 01:08 am:

Somewhere along that route Steve, I ran right into a military base, that restricted access the last time I was through there (outside of Lawndale I think). But of course it picks right back up on the other side of that base, if you can find your way round the darn thing.

I used to listen to my dad's stories when he was a young man of traveling back and forth from Clinton OK to LA California on his motorcycle (Indian Chief), then I realized he was using Route 66. It goes from LA right through Clinton...one of these days I'm going to try it myself...in a Model T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 11:31 am:

In Jamestown, NY, about 6 miles from me, about half of the small side streets are still brick. Almost all of the city's streets were bricked in the '30s by CCC men. Many older folks can remember the large gangs of men laying the special oversized paving bricks. They would lay a perfect crown in the street center, and advance in unison on their knees, all in less time than it takes to tell it.

Over the years, as the streets had to be dug up to work on water and gas lines and the men who had laid the brick originally were no longer around, they were seldom replaced properly, making pretty rough roads, and eventually were patched with asphalt, then finally paved over completely. Many of the main avenues eventually had to be completely torn up and rebuilt from scratch after discarding the bricks (city residents can claim them for free for their own private use). It was always interesting to me to see how far below the current road surface the original bricks were.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 01:20 pm:

Eldorado is also the name of a city in south Arkansas. It has the same pronunciation as the one in KS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 01:27 pm:

Les Nessman was a very influential guy. :-)

Some of our local brick streets are in this video everybody's seen before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21k8N9rR0GU&list=UUFVx528ORtpDgCPJXbFCA6w


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 03:17 pm:

The town name is used in Texas too but I've always heard it pronounced "el-doe-ra-doe" in these parts. But like the west coast bunch, no one outside of Texas can pronounce rodeo correctly either. :-)

A town in Ohio called Medina is pronounced "ma-dine-a" up there. The same name used down here is pronounced "ma-deen-a".

Some other names that non-locals have trouble with are;

Boerne - "Ber-nie"
Bexar - "Bear"
Seguin - "Sa-geen"
Gruene - "Green"

Along with many other Spanish and Native American names.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 03:59 pm:

The strangest combination of pronunciation compared with the spelling of a city I've encountered is in Louisiana. Our Tin Lizzies Club had our Spring Tour there this year. The city is spelled Nachitoches and pronounced "Nak-o-tish" with the emphasis on the first syllable.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 04:24 pm:

There is a name here in California "Buena Vista"
We pronounce it "Bu-ana Veesta" which is how the Mexicans pronounce it. In Colorado, it is "Buna Vista" However, San Pedro is pronounced San Peedro and San Rafael is pronounced "San Ra-fel"

This is what I thank has happened. I could be wrong. Old timers either were very unfamiliar with Spanish, or purposely mis-pronounced it to be silly.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 07:53 pm:

Norman - I think you're right. Sometimes it just seems sorta' silly. And it's not just place names!

There's an area in Texas where they don't say "business" like most of the rest of us ("biz-ness"),....they say "bid-ness".

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not being critical of anyone or any particular place, especially Texas, it's just an example I could think of that has an odd pronunciation of a word that was other than a place name.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 08:25 pm:

I've never heard it called "bid-ness" in a serious conversation. You must be watching too many redneck TV shows produced in Hollywood. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 08:30 pm:

My aunt would do the dishes in the zinc.
My wife does the worsh when the clothes are dirty.
I'm sure there are more I can't think of right now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 08:37 pm:

R.V. I might have put a photo on the forum this year or last year about a street crew laying bricks in a town.
Can any one find it?

Thanks

Herb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 08:56 pm:

Ken - I read about that particular pronunciation someplace, and some time after that, I heard a T.V. interview with A. J. Foyt. And he spoke of the "bid-ness", several times. Just thought it sounded rather odd, but his interview did serve to substantiate what I had read earlier about that particular pronunciation. I guess that sort of thing just interests me.

For example, I guess it's been a long time ago that the Colorado (Col-or-add-oh) that I learned about in school became Col-or-odd-oh. More recently, Nav-add-ah has become Na-v-odd-ah. I'm waiting for Mon-tan-ah to become Mon-tah-na.

Again,.....no big deal,.....just interesting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 08:58 pm:

Ken - I read about that particular pronunciation someplace, and some time after that, I heard a T.V. interview with A. J. Foyt. And he spoke of the "bid-ness", several times. Just thought it sounded rather odd, but his interview did serve to substantiate what I had read earlier about that particular pronunciation. I guess that sort of thing just interests me.

For example, I guess it's been a long time ago that the Colorado (Col-or-add-oh) that I learned about in school became Col-or-odd-oh. More recently, Nav-add-ah has become Na-v-odd-ah. I'm waiting for Mon-tan-ah to become Mon-tah-na.

Again,.....no big deal,.....just interesting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, December 26, 2014 - 09:00 pm:

Oops! Did it again,....sorry!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 12:27 am:

One of my cousins lives in the town Norm mentioned, Buena Vista in Colorado. Folks there call it "Beeoona" Vista. Most of these gringo pronunciations don't bother me, but for some reason that one really grates on my nerves.

A lot of California names get the gringo treatment. San Pedro became "San Peedro" after half of Iowa moved out there.

The classic name-mangling was by a sports announcer on KGGF who called a football player named Ybarra "Wye-berra".


(Message edited by steve_jelf_parkerfield_ks on December 27, 2014)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 12:40 am:

Steve , all the locals claim in Peedro that the correct pronunciation is San Peedro, and will get upset. I once answered the biz phone with Paydro and got a verbal reaming with a rude phone slam. Funnything thing about this DUDE was that he called in to talk radio and reamed/slammed the host.
Then again, I refuse to refer to San Francisco as "The City" Erks my bay area ,Lib. relatives. Hmm, might be my Missouruh stubbornness.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 05:27 am:

We stayed with friends in Spokane and she was making an Irish Stew. She insisted it was pronounced 'stoo'. I could not convince her it was pronounced 'styou', until I asked if when she went to church she sat in a 'poo'.

The most illogical mis-pronunciation I came across was 'sodder' for solder. I thought it must have been a localised thing, but others report it used more wisely.

Allan from down under


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 07:16 am:

Ahhhhh, the smell of thread drift in the morning :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 12:18 pm:

FWIW, I've never heard the word solder pronounced any way other than "sodder." Is it something else Dunnundah?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 12:29 pm:

Mike - I have cousins in Australia, and when they visit, we always have a good time comparing word meanings, word use and pronunciations. Always makes for good natured "discussion", bordering on light arguments. When they talk about the weather, which of course in our Pacific Northwest, usually includes much discussion about the rain, and when they say "rain", it sounds like they're talking about a river in Germany!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 12:29 pm:

Does anyone else remember when L.A. was called Los Angle-es, The g was pronounced as in angle? Sometime in the 1950's they took a vote or a survey and started pronouncing the g as in Angel. And so it is pronounced to this day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 02:01 pm:

Mayor Sam used to call it Loss Angle-eez. I think he was from Nebraska. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 03:05 pm:

I am surprised so many people jumped on Bew-nuh Viss-tuh, Colorado. I rather small, out-of-the-way place for so
many to know about !

I was poking around the South Park and was talking with a local rancher when he popped that one on me. I was
thinking this guy must have zero education and never mixed with the many hispanics in the region. Nope. That was
just how they say it 'round those parts !

I am the guy who tried to speak Pashto with a local accent and digs original pronunciations/dialects.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 03:24 pm:

It's my understanding, that in years past, before movies, radio or Television, in small towns and even in some large countries, if a prominent person such as a king or mayor etc had a speech impediment, the locals would imitate him and speak the same way. I remember even as a boy, a family came from South Carolina and spoke with a very strong southern dialect. Their children were born in California, and they spoke the same way as their parents even though they went to school here.

Some of the regional dialects are fading as we now see on TV. Remember the old movies where most people spoke either as in England or New York? Now the news brodcasters in all areas speak very similarly.

It will be interesting to find out what happens to the written language now that the texters use so many abbreviations and symbols instead of real words!
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 08:45 pm:

In Eureka Califunny, is a street with a name spelled "Buhne". My wife's family goes way back in Humboldt county. Her grandfather grew up knowing people from before the Civil War time. He and many other old-timers used to swear, absolutely, positively, KNEW the family the street was named after, it is pronounced Booner. Most people native to the area say it that way. Anyone that asks where "Boon" street is, is known to be an outsider.

I often buy gasoline at a station run by a family from India. They mostly hire employees that are also from India. (NO complaints about any sort of favoritism now!!!) They always wear name tags. However, the language is so different from what I grew up with, that the spelling on the tag means very little. Whenever they get a new employee, I ask how to pronounce their name. I always get a smile from them, just because I show an interest. I especially get big smiles when I go back in later and address them by their name, enunciated the way they grew up hearing it.

Linguistics is a fascinating subject. And so are world cultures.
Drive carefully, and have a Happy New Year! W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Sunday, December 28, 2014 - 01:43 am:

Mike, if pronouncing solder as 'sodder' is logical, the I guess as you age you get 'odder'.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Sunday, December 28, 2014 - 07:47 am:

The L was always silent for the word solder where I grew up in the North east. We pronounced it "sodder"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Sunday, December 28, 2014 - 10:56 am:

Allan -- Yes, some of us to get odder as we grow older. :-)

So do you pronounce solder as "sold-'er"? That sounds like something Stan would say at the end of an auction. :-)


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