Here's our 1927 speedster. A.K.A. "The Beater"
Stayed up halve the night drawing up a mid engine speedster. Shouldn't eat chocolate Ice cream before I go to bed. Wife found the drawings this morning and I may be moving into the shop. Now I'm going to build it just to spite her. Can't get the thing out my head now. Scary!
LOTS of vintage speedster and racer pictures posted here: http://www.modelt.org/mtfcivb/showthread.php/16-Authentic-original-speedster-pic tures
and some really cool ones here as well: http://www.nwvs.org/lawrence-o-hughie-hughes-auto-racing-photo-collection/
In front of my son's dorm in Madison.
Even runs in the rain (but dry is a lot more fun).
Mines not finished yet, and everyone is probably sick of seeing it, as it is the current project, But by springtime, Maybe. ????
Here are 2 I built and one I helped a friend with.
Always wanted a boat tail so I built this one a couple years ago.
Bob do you have any picture of the progress while building your speedster?
They were lost in a computer crash.
I spent a couple weeks mocking it up out of cardboard until I had the look I wanted.
It's built very similar to a boat.
My friends Dennis Schaper 1912
Here is mine. My grandfather built it in 1972. This is the third body style. I really gotta get off my butt and install the Rajo BB i bought several years ago.
Here are a couple of photos of our speedster. One from last week and one from this morning. We are getting it ready to tour in Canada in July.
Carbon Canyon T Club Speedster guys.
My 1922 in progress, test fit of "body". Cowl and hood not installed yet. Looks like additional air needs to be installed in front tire.
Dennis, your speedster is looking good!
Here is mine.
Looks good Mike! We were looking for a bigger tool box for the back but i see yours is about the same as ours. I wanted to relocate the battery to the tool box, but can't find anything large enough that looks good.
Richard can you post more pics of that yellow speedster? That thing is beautiful. I see what looks like a Warford and Rocky Mountain brakes. Do you have any pics of the dash and engine?
Here's Eliza - working on making some Ford wire wheels work with the small drum rear end. Once I get the wires on I have some really cool Mercury Speedster style fenders.
This is a great thread. It is nice to see what the rest of you have.
Seth, that is a great low angle shot of Eliza.
This has a Roof low compression head. Maybe more trouble than it is worth by I like having it. We put a back seat on it as the family grew from 1985 to 2005 or so.
I like it! I have so much stuff to do to Eliza but ultimately I want to make her look more like a finished product the way your speedster is. The fenders I have definitely give her a much more refined look. If I can get my wheels done then I can get the fenders finished and sent off for plating.
Mainly still need to clean up the body and repaint it and mount my spare tire on the back. I have a beautiful hickory tool box that my father in law built me but it's just too dang big. Doesn't go well with the rest of the car because of its size. Will probably just mount the spare at an angle on the back.
Mike - Will you be ready to run this summer? Missed you out on the runs last year.
Helen will probably give you a better answer!
I have Mercury poisoning.
How my speedster the Becker special../
Walt, yes I really hope so. As of now I have all the parts done and machined ready to go back together. Problems started for me almost 2 years ago when I snapped the main shaft in the seattle 3 speed overdrive transmission. I had a new shaft made and have been chasing other worn parts ever sense. I did have the car out on a few runs this year with a standard rear end, never very far.
My biggest problem this year has been balancing all my car projects with time spent helping at the Lemay car museam.......also I need to stop buying any more cars.......so they say.
Here's a bunch of Speedsters.
Here's a bunch of Speedsters.
My 1919. Was my grandfather's in the '20s. Then my dad's in the '50s - '70s. Just back on the road this past March after 35 years in a garage disassembled.
Action shot of the Mercury
Trooper built it. I've made a couple modifications and still have some changes in mind. I like the fenderless look and so far it hasn't caused any issues. The mechanicals are very strong. Apparently Trooper knows something about what he's doing.☺️ Any modifications will be minor. The most important has to involve comfortable seats. I really like my sedan and my touring but my speedster is the most fun.
This is my project speedster. I have stopped until I get the title figured out.
Here are my fenders that will be brass plated. Really changes the whole look of the car.
Mike.... That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me here.... ws
OK, since nobody else seemed to notice it, I would like to see more pictures of the V8 powered 8N in the first picture!
The speedster in front has a HAL overhead. The second speedster is pretty much stock, including the early 1915 drive train (engine cast date November 1914).
Randy what's a HAL overhead? Never heard of one of those before. Can you show pics of the engine? I really like the wire wheels you have!
The HAL I have is the same one featured on pages 42-43 in our latest edition of the Vintage Ford. I will try to post some pics later today.
The wire wheels are Pasco. The other one has Dayton pin drive.
View of the engine.
That looks wild - haven't seen anything like it before. What ignition are you running and what carb?
Holy smokes! Now I remember hearing about this overhead. It uses ball bearings inside tubes to replace push rods and rocker arms. How does it run, does it go like stink?
This is not the one with the ball bearings. It is the earlier model with the deep oil sump surrounding the valve train, keeping everything well lubed. It is identical to the one on page 43 of the Vintage Ford, Volume 49, Number 6.
It has a front plate distributor with an early Delco 6v coil. Currently has a side draft Walbro carb, which I hope to replace with a Stromberg OF.
It is not really fast off the line but easily cruise at 50 mph.
Here is a site with some pictures of the HAL ball bearing valve actuation engine:
Troop, it's easy to say nice things about most anyone, and I've considered you a good friend for awhile now. Regardless of all the negatives that can come from this forum there are as many or more positives. With this many guys you have to deal with egos, sarcasm and way too much testosterone but in the end the good always floats to the top. It's easy to tell who the real craftsman and mechanics are on here and those who think they're mechanics and craftsman. It's just my opinion but I feel a real Model T aficionado is someone who can know what will work and doesn't immediately go to the catalogs and take the easy way to assure their cookie cutter cars match the one that everybody else has. Being able to read a micrometer to check bearing wear or axle shaft wear and knowing enough about materials to know what parts have life left in them rather then immediately pulling out your wallet and throwing money at something is what impresses me. I know and understand what you did to assure the longevity of the mechanicals in the Pollinator. I'm confidant the car will be a reliable little buggy for years to come. Guys like you and Herm Krohnke and a few others on this forum are a dying breed that won't be around in a few decades and the rest of us are really going to feel the loss. For the most part because we let our arrogance, our egos and our wallets stand in the way of learning from the great knowledge resource that's available.
I'm a new guy posting to this forum (have been reading it for a while) and Model T's (although I have experience with a couple of old cars of the Bowtie Brand...)
A friend of mine put together this 1923 Speedster (I helped on a few small things) out of a basket case touring car pulled from a barn in Missouri. I fell in love with it and we made a deal. The idea was to preserve the patina of the car while making an excellent driver. The car frame was modified to lower the car, and extend the wheelbase. Of note, the seats were hand made (metal and leather), and are quite comfortable to ride in. Helping him sew the pleats in the seats was quite an experience.
It has a transmission out of a 1923 Chevrolet Superior after the Ford transmission, utilized as an underdrive/direct box with the 3:1 rear end gears. The engine was built with domed pistons, advanced cam gear, small block Chevy valves and the plan is to test some different carburetion and exhaust configurations, along with the installation of an E-Timer (no mag on this car) to help with running the coils on the 6 volt battery to fix the timing advance issue whilst preserving the coil based system.
The picture is of the car in front of the Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology [Terre Haute, IN] Homecoming Bonfire.
Thanks for reading,
Rusty do you have any pictures of the transmission setup?
This is my first post with pictures of my 1913 Speedster.
Good looking Peter. I like the Bosch Mag. DU4?
Rusty, that speedster is a work of art. The transmission setup sounds interesting. I'd be interested in seeing how it's setup too.
Peter -- What type of steering box did you use?
Nice Pete - cross drive mags are super cool. I also like those fenders. Any plans to put similar on the rear wheels?
Peter, Nice Speedster! How about a few different angle photos of how the front motorcycle fenders are mounted.
I went out to the shop to snap a photo (barely kept my fingers as it is colder than the winter of eighteen-hundred and froze-to-death... :-D ), I don't have much light out there, so my apologies for how dark it is:
With the seats and body on, you cannot see the cross member that is bolted on the back of the transmission for support (without crawling under). I don't have a really good photo of it, but this one might at least give you an idea (the transmission and shortened drive-shaft were originally painted white, they are now black):
I very much appreciate the compliment. However, I cannot take all the credit, as my friend Aaron Rogahn (who also reads the forum and is starting on his next speedster project at this time) was the mastermind behind this build. I provided some minor assistance, mostly electrical in nature, but he did all the heavy work.
My apologies to all if this post has gone too long and if the pictures are too big, I am still trying to get the hang of re-sizing.
Thanks for reading,
I'm a new guy posting to this forum also infact this is my first I have been reading for several years and modeled my speedster on many cars discussed on this forum. I have recently completed my 1914 Speedster. I took the vehicle to a Place called Lake Perkolli near Kalgoorlie Western Australia, were the Centenary of Motor Sport was run, followed by a week long National Veteran Rally around Kalgoorlie. My car ran faultlessly and clocked up over 5oo km. It has taken two years collecting parts etc from all over Australia and I built it in just over 8 months. I have now begun restoring a 1911 Tourer
That Auzzi speedster, it looks lowered. How difficult is it to register a lowered T over there?
Hi Kep , yes my Special T is lowered approximately 6 inches. The front suspension is moved forward and up and the rear section of the chassis is 'Z'ed. the rear radius rods attach to the side rails and the front wishbone has been lengthened
I spent a lot of time doing the math on chassis design , drive line angles etc to achieve a good result. Then engine is moved back slightly and up approx 1 1/2 inch. I have used two hand brake cross shafts coupled to allow it to all move back. The steering coloum has had the outer tube shortened but the shaft is standard length.
The car performs very well on the road and steers excellent, I averaged 60kmh during the national rally and had the ocasional burst of speed to just over 80kmh.
Licencing here in Western Australia is done through the Car Clubs and it is consessional(can only use on club organised events)
The vehicles undergo initial inspections for roadworthyness and then an anual safety inspection follows. Full rego can be obtained but this required all functioning modern lights and seat belts to be installed installed. This is an expensive option
Graeme, your double SU carbs are interesting - were there lots of adjusting and testing of different needles until you got it to run right?
I'm thinking a 3L four that revs 1500-2000 rpm could use about the same carb setup as some 50's british sports car that may have half the displacement but double rpms?
And I guess 80 km/h (50 mph) was far from full throttle?
Mike the steering box is from a 1916 490 chev.Works very good at higher speeds.A long time ago an oldtimer told me thats what they used and I never forgot some things stick in your mind for a long time.the front crossmenber was cast at the foundry in town using a pattern my son and I made notice the ears that hold the box like the factory did.Jay car is apart for paint but the fender bracket bolts thru the speedo mount cheers
I am amazed to see so many nice Speedsters and to hear from some new folks.
This is a well used one a friend of mine has. I built the seats and cowl for my Yellow one in the 60's and traded them off when I was refining it.
I find it interesting that the majority of speedsters pictured are of the platform design. Open cockpit, exposed fuel tank, bucket or bench seat.
Brian, it's on the bench, next up after I finish two Holley G's that REALLY need to be in a box today or tomorrow.
Randy, an OF is not carburetor enough for that setup. You need to go to a Stromberg OS-1 or a Zenith H4PS, HP4A or similar. An OF will run out of air if that engine runs like it looks like it will.
What carbs are people using?
Peter, I love how you have decorated you living room. You are either single, or have a very wonderful wife.
I have a Zenith S4BF with correct Zenith intake. The intake works well with my DU4. According to Stan a lot of the Zenith intakes ended up ground out - it has an unusually small diameter and very rough surface inside. I had a U&J intake that I had mounted the S4BF to and I think the Zenith intake works better for the carb.
Starts up easy peasy from cold but can be a bit fussy to restart when not warm but not all the way cold yet. AWESOME acceleration and the top end is downright scary. No clue how fast she'll go (got scared at 62 mph) or what kind of gas mileage I get as I can't keep my hand out of it. =)
I really want one of Stan's rebuilt U&J's - especially since he's suggested that it has even more zoom than my Zenith. Although I'm not sure if it'd fit with the DU4.
Here's the model A accessory carb I'm using on my primitive pickup, a Tillotson XF:
Unfortunately I can't fit the generator with this modified std intake, so I'll have to make or find another intake manifold to keep using this carb. But maybe I'll try double SU:s instead..
Seth asked about my seats in another thread - they may fit better in this thread since they're lowered and the body is homemade..
I measured the seating position and it's similar to my '26 runabout, 66 inches from the radiator mounts. The big difference from the runabout is the floor level, 4 inches above the frame on the pickup since I kept it level all the way forward, while it's only 1.5" above the frame in the runabout. That's the main reason I had to flip the steering wheel to get space for my knees since the steering column is lowered compared to standard just like the seats. Here's a picture from under the body showing a piece of flat iron that connects the spring bolt with the second wooden crossmember under the floor to spread the load from the seat:
Here's a quick sketch of what I want to build--a boat tail with the reverse stern that was popular around 1880s. Trunk, cockpit--but no top!
first the sketch
then with some color added--think of the fenders/ running boards, hood in dark maroon. Body in light wood with dark caulking
David that looks fantastic. I see exactly what you are going for and I think it would be gorgeous.
I hope you get to work building it! I might steal your sketch design and make my own one day.
Seth, that would be a great compliment. I have a chassis (extra) but there's a few other projects WAY ahead of that one--meantime, I keep refining the design in my head (Danger, Will Robinson!!) This is the first time I sketched it out, and it was a quick one while on phone hold. . . .
David, I found this inspirational photo on the internet.
Thanks for the update, Stan. It was 10 degrees in my shop this weekend. The engine is so stiff it will not run any time soon, so all good here relative to urgency. Photo of it in-progress would be interesting to me, particularly the venturi replacement.
Is it still a boat"tail" when the bow is used?
Jason - I currently have a Stromberg RF on my 1919. I've had it up to 65 mph and still had throttle left.
You can see the carb below the home-made manifold for the RAJO head, as well as the Holley pressure regulator mounted on the firewall in the lower left area of the photo.
I need to have an adapter made for my fresh (from Stan) Stromberg OS-1, which is sitting on a shelf anxiously awaiting some action!
A friend's project
That's not quite what I had in mind, but it IS clever!
I wonder if he keeps the T registered as a boat???
Hi Roger, to answer the carburetor question , they are 1 1/4 su's off an early mini not exactly sure the year. They were chose over a matched pair due to the restriction we face with RHD, the steering column is in the way. The manifold is just a couple of 30 degree exhaust bends attached to the exhaust manifold header plate with some insulation blocks to stop vapourisation.
When first assembled the engine ran poorley the carburetors kept spiting back and lots of backfiring etc. It turned out to be the exhaust system, as I had made it free flowing without any back pressure the extractors have primary pipes of 1 1/4 into the collector pipe which is a TT Truck drive shaft tube, tapered from 1 1/4 to 3 in. The rest of the system is 3 in pipe. I installed a muffler(hot dog) and created some minimal back pressure. I also installed a balance pipe between the two carbs. it now runs well, Idles at 300 rpm and pulls exceptionally well, starts instantly with out choke. The needls and jets are all standard as is the damper spring. I used a balance gauge to tune them.Fuel ecomomy is pretty average I realise they are not period correct but work fine all the same. Yes 80kmh = 50mph and yes I backed off, not the car it has much more to give will try one day
The start of mine
Graeme - Love your 14 speedster. Looks well sorted. Couple of questions. Are your saying that the needles in your SU carbs are stock mini.?
Also - that front spring mounting bracket looks an interesting arrangement - could you post some clearer photos of it?
Hi Ken, thanks for the kind words,
Yes the needles in the SU's are the original ones fitted to the mini, I checked and they came off and 850 cc mini early 60's, I stripped them replaced the needle and seat and float gasket and just reassembled them, I use Auto Trans fluid in the dampers and they have red band springs. I did have to rotate the fuel bowls to level them up.
For the front suspension, I copied a design I had seen on this forum some time ago, but basically had to engineer my own version. The original front crossmember was taken off and moved back and up to the top of the frame. A rear crossmember was adapted to the front I have used hot rivets and welded some joints. the two adaptors have been cut from 10mm plate and a small piece of front crossmenber was attached. I should point out I did not destroy any good frames for this project they were bits and pieces I picked up. I can find the template I made for the adaptors and post a pic over the weekend. hope this helps.
well mine is still in the putting it back together stage, trying to stay with close to period correct idea's
WHATS LEFT OF SEAT
FRAME AND ENGINE
Seth, I have an unused U&J that Stan Howe restored about 5 years ago. I have it listed in the Classifieds under Another U&J for sale.
Lol Tom I know! If I had money I'd have already bought it from you.
Graeme - thanks for the additional picks - nicely done - a template would be great. I have a pair of SU's I was thinking of using - pretty sure they are 1 1/4 mini but was unsure of needle to use for application to a T so sounds like I should leave originals in.
Since this is a speedster post I think I can ask this question. On my speedster the seats are level. On others the seats are angled back so that the front of the seat is higher than the rear. Those who have done this - do you think it is more comfortable and you can drive longer distances with your seats tilted back? Is this method more ergonomic?
First foray into the "T Illness" at age 20. First start after 2 1/2 years of work.
All worth it though after 3 1/2 years.
Too much inspiration. i can't handle it.
Dave~ in my opinion the seats angled back are more comfortable.
Sean that picture of you at 20 is so cool my monitor has some frost on it. Pic should have a caption "James Dean drives a Model T".
Andy Loso's speedster
Seth: That look I'm sporting is the result of an all day/all nighter a buddy and I spent getting all the sub assemblies connected to the frame. We were pretty frazzled by the time of this first start. The jumper cable on the firewall was for shorting out the mag to stop the engine. Hidden in this view is the handkerchief tied onto the cylinder head leak absorber!
This is my brother's 1916 speedster. It was build in El Paso, TX by Bruce Utterback. My dad took a call to El Paso when I was 4 and promptly found the local HCCA club to find friends with similar interest in old cars. Dad's 25 T Coupe wasn't running right, so Bruce conjured up one of his iron duke dizzy setups for the car. Ever since then Bruce would drive his speedster to our house and take me and my brothers for a ride. I loved riding in it and was eager to watch him shift the Warford on the fly. At that time, the car was green and the front fenders moved with the wheels. Well, 4 or so years ago, my brother took his family to his wife's home town between Amarillo and Lubbock right when the Chickasha swap meet was going on. He snuck out & went up there to check things out & stumbled across Bruce's speedster for sale. It was well used and somewhat run down. The fellow selling it was an old friend of Bruce, who had long passed. He started telling my brother about the T, but my brother promptly stopped him and said he knew everything about the car since the early 80's. A deal was made and it is in our family's possession now. It's comforting to know that his car is safe and will continue putting smiles on our kids faces just like he and his car did for us years ago.
Aaron -- Nice-looking car, and a great story. It's wonderful that your brother was able to find and buy that car of which you and he have childhood memories.
Another friend building his speedster right from ground up with custom made frame.
any suggestions for a better carb/intake setup? Engine is 30 over with a shaved head 280 cam and a Texas T distributor.
Jason that's a really cool exhaust. You ought to buy the U&J intake and carb that is for sale in the classifieds. Lots of ZOOM.
Here is our 1918 Paco bodied speedster. This pictured was taken shortly after we finished restoring it.
Me and my brother also made a short video with the car earlier last year http://youtu.be/vq8gsHWcRT0
Joe~ do you have an pics of the restoration?
Yeah man, pics of the restoration and more pics of the car and engine Joe.
Holy crap - you're going down the wrong side of the road, Man !!!!! ;>)
This is our speedster. We built it in 1992, it has won three speedster events over the years and is the most fun you can have on four wheels. I took it out today to a century old race celebration. Ran good but blowing smoke, guess it needs a ring job.
When did you get the second one? They both look good. Are they "His & Her's"? Bill
Chris: That's a nice pair ;) They must look great going down the road together.
I wonder who polishes their brass and who does not.
Great looking pair of Speedsters.
This is our '24 Speedster. Photo taken August 2011 leaving Edmonton for Spokane for the NWVS Labour Day Classic Endurance Run. 650 miles each way plus 200+/- for the run itself. We've driven down for this event three times.
Nothing revolutionary mechanically, but the claim to fame for this rig is the foot pegs each side — so much more comfortable on long trips.
The red one in my picture belongs to a friend of my son's and lives in Pelham. He polishes. I'm too lazy!
When I was looking for a "fun car", it was partly because I knew of that car that I ended up with a T.
Here is a quick snap of the engine from our speedster. We've done quite a bit of tidying up since it was taken though!
(Message edited by joemeakin on January 13, 2015)
What size exhaust is that Joe? Beautiful sound. Who made it? (the exhaust system that is)
Sweet looking engine bay Joe !!
Here's one I like !! (not mine) On the "Breeze Thru the Trees" endurance run out of Ukiah 10 years ago.
I think thats the same one I saw in Utah a couple years ago Wayne, had a repaint since your picture. Is a very nice car though, seemed to pass our stock tourer pretty quickly as well!
my 1919 pikes peak climber
Dads 25 fronty ford
one more shot of the pikes peak front end
Always wanted to use one of Dick Williams fiberglass Morton & Brett bodies but couldn't find one, so I bought a car and ended up using just the body and frame. Just beginning to set the car up now.
Here are some pictures that someone had requested.
You need a carburetor........
Stan he was asking for a suggestion earlier. I said he should he that U&J. =)
The header looks great. One of Uncle Stan's carbs would let it come alive!
Actually I think he did. The one from Tom. Tom is going to send it here, I'm going to check it out and send it on to Jason. That last comment was kind of a joke for Jason.
Here is the U&J that Jason will get to enjoy.
That will look (and work!) Soooooooooo much better than that NH!
Just hit those carbs and manifolds with a bronze paint spray can.
I don't think that's a T engine.
Henry, I'll bet there's a few T's with the engine John is showing around Modesto.. Well, that's what the DMV might have them registered as.
Pretty much stock parts, but is still a lot of fun.
I think it's time for a "Let's see some speedsters II" This is getting to take a long time to load.