Ford argues that Model T brakes are superior or rear brakes.

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: Ford argues that Model T brakes are superior or rear brakes.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 04:57 pm:

This appeared in the April 15, 1909 Ford Times. Toward the end the argument is made that the Ford transmission brake is working at a 1:1 ratio while hub brakes are at 4:1. Many consider the transmission brake a weak spot of the T and early Fords, however other pre 1910 cars also used a transmission brake:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 06:02 pm:

Enclosed and run's in oil.Unless abused should last a very long time without fail! Bud,


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 06:14 pm:

Somehow,using the two words Ford and brakes in the same text,constitutes an oxy-moron.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gustaf in Idaho on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 06:14 pm:

large proportionally that a locomotive's brakes, they just fail to mention it takes two miles for a train to stop.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 06:38 pm:

Them boys had more spin than Dorothy's Twister.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 07:18 pm:

With the Ford brake, if one wheel loses traction, the car will continue in a straight line, at the rate of braking of the sliding one.

With wheel brakes, if one wheel loses traction, it will tend to throw the car sideways out of control.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Mazza, north adams ma on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 11:13 pm:

To think for a bit how many of Fords competitors trans brakes were enclosed from the elements? Fords brakes would have been good ford 1909. The model t really was an improvement over even more expensive cars. Most cars of the time still used outside oilers, and most would require attention for both engine oiling and trans oiling.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 02:38 am:

Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 06:14 pm:
Somehow,using the two words Ford and brakes in the same text,constitutes an oxy-moron.


LOL.......that made me laugh out loud........ :-O


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 07:09 am:

A couple of other cars with transmission/drive shaft brakes, as of 1907. Granted, they aren't Fords...... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 08:52 am:

The I-5 stunt driver had yet to be "invented", leaving Henry unaware of what the future held for braking needs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 11:05 am:

Rob,

The wording is very confusing but they are essentially saying that the Ford brakes work at nearly 4 times the efficiency of other cars with 4:1 rear end ratios. This is actually true, since the T braking takes advantage of the rear end ratio. The problem is, the T brake is also smaller than cars with brakes acting directly on the rear wheels. You'll see an even bigger boost in braking if you've got a Ruckstell rear end that is in low range while you use the brake.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen- Central Minnesota on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 11:09 am:

And a decrease when using a 3:1 or overdrive, making accessory brakes a must have if you set your car up for speed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 12:50 pm:

Another well known car that used a similar brake to the Ford, the Thomas Forty (40hp). Additionally, the review reports a wood (hickory) band is used for the brake. And I thought only Model Ts used wood bands........



drawing of the brake from the rear and side:


This chassis photo shows the brake drum just behind the transmission:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen- Central Minnesota on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 03:13 pm:

Rub,
A lot of the older cars used wood bands. My Maxwell came factory equipped with them for low and reverse. The brakes are at the wheels and have more than double the contact area of the T transmission brake.


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