Low pedal link wear Question

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: Low pedal link wear Question
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 12:00 pm:

The low connector i have removed from old trans. have this wear at the connector to pedal[pic] , the pedal i braze egg shape hole and redrill , when i install the new ones the pedal tends to pull the cluth shaft out with it[pic] .
Question.. do i need to make hole biger at the pedal for it to fix this or ? how do i fix this
Thank you lorenzo



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 12:11 pm:

I don't know if this will help, but here is a 2014 thread on making a custom length low speed link:

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/411944/478111.html?1410398567


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 01:25 pm:

Lorenzo

Experience has shown to re-check the parts to be sure they are in alignment. Sometimes the clutch lever shaft has the lever arms miss-shaped and they need a bit of tweaking (bending) to align. Same with the clutch pedal tab, it can get bent.

The action of the pedal linkage is just mechanical, and the alignment is necessary for the arms and linkage to operate correctly. Or some times the pedal cams are too worn to get good action. All the parts need to be in good shape to have it work fine.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 01:47 pm:

thank you Mark, What I wanted to know is that when everything is new , why does the clutch shaft tends to move with the clutch pedal to the right unless I have this slop, and it creates wear at the clutch realeace ring on the left side


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 01:50 pm:

Thank you Dan, I think it needs some sort of give in the connector so this does not happen , wonder how it came from the factory ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 02:10 pm:

Here are some earlier threads about the clutch shaft moving in and out of the hogshead, hope they help:

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/37842.html?1193001302

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/378207.html?1375726112


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 02:12 pm:

everything new shafts move together need slop not to? am i missing something?.... senior moment?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 03:03 pm:

I'm somewhat of a newbie, I've only had my car a little over a year, but my newbie opinion is that the left/right movement you're seeing is not a problem.

The low pedal shaft is supposed to move to the right (white arrow) when you depress the pedal because of the action of the pedal cam inside the hogshead.

If the linkage from the low pedal to the clutch shaft is new and tight, then the linkage will try to push the clutch shaft (bottom black arrow) to the right as the pedal shaft moves to the right.

You could take the cover plate off and watch the clutch shaft while you push on the low pedal (don't let anything drop into the transmission while the cover is off!) to watch things move.

Again, I don't think the movement you're seeing is a problem, can some of the more experienced members comment? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 03:54 pm:

Lorenzo,

Yes, you could open up the hole in the pedal arm a little bit to get more clearance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 04:14 pm:

You might also want to try bending the "L" end of the link to an angle that produces less binding in the pedal arm hole. (Use heat to help bend it so you don't start a crack.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 06:33 pm:



Jerry i think ill make it stop some by rounding out the pedal hole some, note the wear on the pic. sent ,.I think a rod end ball joint in this spot will work, BUT i ges Henry knew best

Thank you all for input ..lorenzo


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 10:22 am:

Lorenzo,
The picture with the arrows looks like a copy of the picture by Dan. Is this a picture of your car or someone else's car? The link in the picture is correctly installed. It is possible to install the link backward with the cotter pin toward the bendix cover. If you install backward, you will notice that the link makes an angle between the pedal and the clutch lever.

Anyway, be sure to check yours to see that it is exactly as shown in the above pictures.

Another thing I would ask, is the hogs head on the transmission at this time? If it is off the car, it is quite possible for the clutch arm to move when you depress the pedal, but installed on the transmission, there would be very little end play in the clutch lever. Not likely to cause a problem with the clutch.

Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 04:14 pm:

Norman, The picture is a copy of Dans ,I just used it to show movement ,the link is same
position

The trasmission cover is off the car

I used a round stone to make adjustment on the pedal[ like last pic.] works better now..
just needed a little play

Thank you for input ,all is well..regards lorenzo


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