A word to the wise

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: A word to the wise
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ROBERT BERGSTADT on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 03:17 pm:

About 6 years ago I sold a 1929 Model A Ford to a man out west, I sent him all the paperwork along with the title that Il. dmv took me two years to get because the motor # was one off, the man who bought the car called me Saturday wanting to know if I had any paperwork on the car and I said no, he had three antique automobiles stolen out of his garage, titles and all paperwork were in the cars along with the open titles, he never put them in his name, just shows to tell you, register the car and put title in the safe, Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 04:26 pm:

One reason some people don't put the title in their name is that they plan to re-sell the car and just transfer the title to the next buyer. I have had a bad experience that way many years ago when I sold a car and the new owner got a number of parking tickets which he did not pay for. I got a summons to court for tickets on a car I had already sold. Now I either transfer the title my self to the new owner, accompany the new owner to the DMV or (in California) send a notice of sale to the DMV. I had another case where I sold a trailer to another person who didn't transfer it. The renewal of the trailer, which in California comes every 5 years, came to me and I paid it, not realizing it was for the trailer I had sold and not the one I still owned. I notified the DMV that I had sold the trailer and to whom, but they would not refund me the renewal fee which I had already paid in error.

I keep my titles in the safe, but the registration in the vehicle, so that I still would have the title if the vehicle were stolen.

Live and learn.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 05:05 pm:

Decades ago I sold a car, and the new owner apparently didn't transfer the title right away. I got some traffic tickets for the car--but since I knew both a Sargent and a Detective in that city's police department, AND had notified the CA DMV of the sale, things were quickly set right.
YES, keep the title in a safe place,NOT in the vehicle, and do transfer titles immediately, so you will quickly find out if there will be problems--in CA, if you wait there WILL be problems!
Oh, and DO NOT Volunteer any information other than what is asked of you, and don't add anything to you answer, thinking it will clarify things--it won't!! In dealing with the DMV, LESS IS MORE!
Actually, this thread probably could have been titled "A Word to the UN-Wise!" :-)
(it's a joke, son I say a Joke!!)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charles Linsenbarth on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 05:45 pm:

I sold a Chevrolet Suburban and five years later it was used in a robbery. Guess who's house the Police showed up at, the guy I sold it to didn't re-title it and it had changed hands so many times nobody knew who owned it.
My wife was really up set.
Charley


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Sims--Reed City,Mich. on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 06:26 pm:

The state of Michigan requires the seller gets a receipt for the car from the buyer and must keep it for 18 months or get a copy of the signed off title This is your proof that you no longer own the vehicle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 07:13 pm:

I always keep my titles in the safe, and the registration with the car. This brings up something to think about upon selling a car..maybe its just best to provide nothing more than a bill of sale to the buyer and keep the title yourself. Let them deal with the inspection and title fetching themselves. Fortunately, in Ohio it is a fairly simple, straight-forward process. Once again with my most recent purchase three weeks ago, it took all of an hour to haul my Clarabelle to the license bureau to inspect then down to the county title office to donate over a thousand dollars to get that 10 cent piece of paper! Quick and not-so-painless if you know what I mean!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justin H. - Western PA on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 08:36 pm:

In PA we have to have titles notarized out of the seller's name and into the buyer's name when a vehicle is sold. It seems that most people I sell to are dealers who say that they are notaries and just want me to sign off and they will take care of the rest later. What they want to do is wait until they sell it and never put it in their name. Boy are they upset when I tell them that they will not get a title or the vehicle unless the proper notarization is done! By the way, I have never had anyone pass on a deal because of it but they have come close.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 09:58 pm:

Another concern is liability. If the vehicle is still titled in your name and is involved in an accident you may be liable for damages. Even if you have papers stating you sold it, etc., etc.; in the eyes of the law you may still be responsible for the vehicle regardless of who was driving it. When you sell a vehicle you should give them a Bill of Sale and you should keep a copy of that Bill of Sale with a "purchased by" statement added to it from the new owner. Especially if you are selling for cash.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By bob middleton on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 10:45 pm:

I know in nevada you can notify dmv on an official form in person or online that you have sold a car
On antiques werethere is a serial number buyer signs bill of sale he is taking that part or car or deal off registered in my name or not at least theres a paper trail


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 10:59 pm:

Most States are getting hip to open titles. Face it, the real reason to leave the title open is to avoid paying sales tax. Nowadays "someone" is going to pay the tax "due to the State" in order to register their new old car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brass car guy on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 11:58 pm:

Lets rethink keeping registrations in your cars.

Here at a local Costco when you park your car and went into the store to shop, someone would watch you and quickly break in your car and take your registration.

Then they would call an accomplis and give them your address who would drive to and burgle your home while the partner in crime would watch for you to come out then they called their partner and warn them of your eminent return. This type of crime is far more prevalent that you might think.

Our local police depts. now suggest not leaving any address documents in your car, insurance papers, or registration.

just sayin'

brasscarguy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Tuesday, February 10, 2015 - 12:29 am:

I'm glad I don't live someplace like that. Here, when it's real cold out there are always a bunch of cars idling in the parking lots or in front of the cafes. I walked into Costco last year right after I bought my Outback, there were probably not over 15 cars in the parking lot and half of them were idling with the heater on. Biggest crime here is somebody stealing a gun out of a pickup parked in front of a bar. Happens three or four times every year. Almost an epidemic. Usually some tourist or bum going through town.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Tuesday, February 10, 2015 - 12:30 am:

We do have to watch more and more for theft at auctions. Some people come to see what they can buy, some people come to see what they can steal. We watch some people closer than others. We also video the auction action and the auction non-action. Amazing what you can see when you watch the videos.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Tuesday, February 10, 2015 - 12:36 am:

Wisconsin REQUIRES the registration be carried in the car at all times.
I bought 2 T's that the sellers hadn't bothered to register or transfer the titles.
WHY? Because they would have to state the purchase price and pay sales tax in addition to the title transfer fee.


(Message edited by cahartley on February 10, 2015)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Tuesday, February 10, 2015 - 12:57 am:

No sales tax in Montana. It would cost about $150 to transfer the title and get permanent plates here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Tuesday, February 10, 2015 - 01:10 am:

The ultra bright folks here in Colorado would gladly fine you if you were stopped by the local authorities and did not have a SIGNED (in ink) copy of your registration (that had your address on it) in your car! SOOOO any low life could break into your car and find your address and your signature. I have no idea why I worried about this! This only changed a year or so ago despite pleas from the government officials that it was needed for "law enforcement to be able to identify you". Some how a real drivers license and insurance card along with the real time computer in the police car were unable to provide adequate identification unless you had that little piece of paper. Thankfully now the registration form lacks your address and you do not even have a place to sign it. BUT YOU BETTER HAVE IT IN THE CAR OR YOU WILL PAY. They still complain that they cannot verify your registration using their real time computers or identify you from your drivers license, unless, that is, you are caught on a video camera. In that case your license plate somehow will identify who to send the ticket to. That is unless you are an "undocumented driver" and then you can drive away from just about any infraction except your 9th or 10th DUI as long as the car can somehow limp away on 2 or 3 tires. God help us. Sorry for the rant!

On a similar note Antique License Plates in Colorado are good for 5 years and ALL of them are due at the same time. About 35 days before my 4 Antique plates expired I stood in a 2 hour + line at the DMV to re-register them only to find that the State had not found time to print the new stickers for the plates (after all they only had 5 years notice that they would needed them) Try that with the IRS and let me know how it turns out. By law Colorado antique plates must be re registered at least 30 days before they expire or you must surrender the plates and start from scratch. About 40 days after my plates expired I received the new stickers in the mail. You cannot make this stuff up! Be afraid, very afraid.

(Message edited by paulmikeska on February 10, 2015)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Tuesday, February 10, 2015 - 08:15 am:

Brasscarguy, you have a good point there. Problem is, when you get pulled over by the police, first thing they want is to see your registration, then the insurance. No registration, be ready to get out of the car and on the ground!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard A Eddinger on Tuesday, February 10, 2015 - 10:32 am:

In California there is a attached piece of paper work to the owner certificate [pink slip] that they require the seller send in upon the sale of any type of vehicle it has the date of sale, the speedometer reading and the selling price along with buyer and sellers information. When you send it in the buyer has only ten days from the time of sale to re register it in there name or face pretty good penalties also the sale price tells the State if you paid the correct use tax or not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 12:40 pm:

Maryland titles are considered semi-negotiable, as there are provisions to sell the vehicle a second time.

That may have originally been provided for a dealer's use.

I bought a Model T several years ago that had the original 1941 title that was signed over to the man I bought the car from and he used it on a farm, but never titled or registered it.

Maryland DMV told me I would have to pay the tax on that first sale to get a title in my name.

The tax was 5% then, so I noted that I was good at math and the original $10 price was on the title, so I could cover that 50 cents with no problem.

Wrong! The minimum tax was $15 that I would have to pay. Not a real problem anyway, just another gotcha.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wilson, Saint John NB, Canada on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 01:15 pm:

Back in the 50's, I sold a 1932 Essex to an acquaintance for $85.00. He gave me $50 and a promise to pay the other $35 on "pay day" and I gave him the registration. A few weeks later, an RCMP officer was at my door saying my car had been abandoned by the side of the road. I explained that I had sold the car and apparently the guy hadn't transferred to title. I also mentioned that the guy still owed me $35. "Come with me" he said. Scary words for an 18 year old to hear from a police officer. We got in the squad car, a Stude Lark Scotsman with a Packard V8 and went to the buyers house. He went in, told the guy to get his car off the road, get it transferred and come to the RCMP detachment with the transferred registration plus a receipt from me for the $35. Needless to say, the guy showed up at my door the next day with $35. Great to have a police officer be your "enforcer". I'll never forget him. It didn't hurt that he weighed about 350 lbs. That Scotsman always went down the road with quite a list to the drivers side.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob from Nova Scotia on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 02:28 pm:

In Nova Scotia it is illegal to carry the title in the car. There is a proof of registration which is issued with plates, but the car cannot be transferred with it. And attached to the Title is a form that must be filled out and returned to the RMV after a sale. That way the previous owner is not liable if someone does something stupid or unlawful


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 06:38 pm:

Must be Canada east and west. In Alberta there is no title, just registration. It is a pink card that you carry in the car. When you sell it, you sign the pink card -- no witness, no notary -just your signature and hand it to the buyer. I think you do have to write the price on it.

There are enough cars and truck come out of Alberta here that they are used to it at the border and the court house, they have a form to fill out, you surrender the pink card and get an inspection from a law officer and a couple weeks later you get a title. Going back into Alberta is pretty easy because you now have a US title.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 06:50 pm:

Must be Canada east and west. In Alberta there is no title, just registration. It is a pink card that you carry in the car. When you sell it, you sign the pink card -- no witness, no notary -just your signature and hand it to the buyer. I think you do have to write the price on it.

There are enough cars and truck come out of Alberta here that they are used to it at the border and the court house, they have a form to fill out, you surrender the pink card and get an inspection from a law officer and a couple weeks later you get a title. Going back into Alberta is pretty easy because you now have a US title.


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