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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: OT. The weatherman was wrong again
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 10:46 am:

They told us that we were going to get another major snow storm.
All we got was an additional 12 inches of snow and 45 mph winds.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 11:12 am:

Weather is supremely complex and seemingly capricious. Depending on the location, in varying degrees it remains vexingly hard to predict. Last week our local ten day forecast showed a 90% chance of rain tomorrow. The next day it showed 70% tomorrow and 60% on Tuesday. A couple of days later it predicted 0% for both days. This morning it's showing 60% tomorrow and 20% on Tuesday. We shall see.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 11:42 am:

We are gaining,it's up to -9 from -15!! Howling winds the last two nights and we are very lucky we did not get any snow!!Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gustaf in Idaho on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 11:50 am:

Our spring is 2 months ahead of schedule this year, it has been 20 years since I have seen such an early spring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 12:04 pm:

So how's that Global Warming thing working out for all you right coasters?:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 12:13 pm:

Exactly what global warming predicted - highly variable seasons compared to the norm and wide fluctuations in temperature.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 12:24 pm:

Dave, Just because you left a tooth under your pillow when you were a kid and found a quarter there when you woke up doesn't mean there is a Tooth Fairy. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 12:33 pm:

Jay I think Jacksonville isn't far enough south I've been working real hard to keep my avocado's and other fruit trees...... on the first "Earth Day" they were predicting "Global Cooling" maybe.........?:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Vitko on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 12:46 pm:

I received mail on a German design car with outrages power and runs on sea water some thing like 360 miles on a tank. Apparently its approved for use in Germany. Its beautiful!

It would explain the big drop in fuel price. We shall see!

It makes you wonder about global warming and what's being pushed in the USA If its true. History shows that the north eastern part of the USA was ice bound in the past.

As for the NW Oregon coast its been a fairly normal year. A little less rain, no snow and currently about 50.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 01:54 pm:

Over on the Cascades, Paul, they haven't had enough snow to keep some of the ski slopes open.

from Wiki:
According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimate for 2011, the world consumes 87.421 million barrels of oil each day. How much CO2 is that?

The oceans absorb about 25% of the CO2, and are becoming more acidic. Shellfish farms in the PNW are having trouble with the increased acidity retarding shell development.

They had to move the Iditarod way north this year, for lack of snow between Anchorage and Nome.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 01:59 pm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 02:23 pm:

Jay, not to good, I have been eagerly waiting for years so I can get more driving in, but its just not happening. I'm about to give up hope. Back in the 70s it was global cooling they were warning us about, now I was worrying about that. I was much relieved when they changed it to global warming. Maybe at some point they will smarten up and realize weather comes and goes in cycles, probably not though, as there is no money in that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 03:39 pm:

During my three years in AFG, our camps burned trash around the clock,
emitting an endless black cloud of toxic smoke into the skies. Outside
the camps, the afghans did the same. It was the same all over Pakistan
and India as well.

If the money-spinners in our "leadership" ever expect me to get on board
with their "sky-is-falling" cries of imminent doom and peril, they are going
to have to at least start addressing that fact that just outside our horizons
back home, everyone else is pouring #@! into the air like there is no tomorrow,
and our own military - last time I checked, they were directly tied to our
government - pursues a policy that would warrant criminal proceedings if
you or I did it back home. Hell, I can't even burn my leaves in the fall anymore.
Now there is a smell of bygone days I miss !

Travel to ANY populated area of the world outside the U.S. and note the air
quality. If anyone needs to give a #@! about carbon emissions and pollution,
it ain't us !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 03:47 pm:

Dan, The climate science people get their funding (and pay check) from grants etc. It would be shooting themselves in the foot to DISPROVE Global Warming. Climate science these days has nothing to do with unbiased "Scientific Method" and EVERYTHING to do with Politics. IMHO



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 03:55 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 03:56 pm:

When the data doesn't match the agenda, just change the data... http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/techandscience/the-fiddling-with-temperature-data- is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever/ar-AA98eVG


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Vitko on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 04:11 pm:

Don't know Rick!
Get the impression if its padding some ones pocket you are expected to believe it.
My daughter lives in Lake Port. As I understand it sewage from Santa Rosa is pumped up the mountain and dumped into a dormant volcano ten miles from her home. That would be a bunch of sewage per day if its true.

I lived in Portland when St Helens blew I could see the ash just above my home for weeks. Flew over that mountain in Michael Seagers hot rod RV. It would take a bunch of oil to fill the cubic miles sent into the sky.

The issue as I see it is one side says its human caused the other side says its partly human but mostly natural caused mainly by sun explosions

I know Alaska ice is receding seen pictures of it on a ship out of Seward. But again information I have read the south pole is increasing. And large critters known to be from a warmer climate have been found in Alaska

I do hope the mail on the German car engineering is true. I guess heat produced is the main issue.

Razor clams are doing well here and are monitored closely. Wish the elk would find another bedding area then my yard. My critters roll in the dung then want to come in the house!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 04:13 pm:

Yup,Buy that token we could all be wearing those little face mask to breath just like other countries!! I'm old, slow to change,and i can't prove it but i have been told the Earth is round!!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill dugger on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 04:14 pm:

Ricks: Just north of Redding is Mt.Shasta and they have only been open a couple times. Not enough snow to ski. Boy what Mt.Shasta would love to have some of the nor easter snow, but not the cold wind and such.
However we could get a turn around in the next 30 days. When we moved in this house in March of 62 it snowed a 12 and everything was at a standstill. Most of the people around here have no idea how to handle snow. They treat the roads like they were dry and the sunshine was brilliant. Having lived in Mansfield, Missouri area, as kid and in Germany for 2 years as a guest of the US Army I learned how to drive and behave in cold weather. I was there when Germany had the coldest winter in 90 years, -35 below. BBBBBBUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRR cold!!!!!!!! Have never seen that kind since. I did see it -15 in Grand View ,Missouri in 1987 I think, that is when my Dad's brother died and I flew back for the Funeral. There was 3 or 4 inches of snow on the ground and when it got cold at night the snow would(when walking) on it sound like breaking egg shells. The coldest here in REdding Cal has been about 13 or 14, and very un-usual.
Everyone have a great day/evening and a great Holiday tomorrow.
bill d
Redding, ca.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Noonan - Norton, MA. on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 04:55 pm:

OK, I'll be the first to say it, I'm not too proud..."UNCLE"! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 05:47 pm:

We got a record 8' of snow in December of 08. The next year we got 10 !!!
I guess that was the global cooling period, because the next year we got almost
nothing at all. I've only got the snowblower out twice in the past 5 years.
Meanwhile, I go on burning tires and plastic and dump all my diapers in the
lake.

BTW - my wife also complains when I roll in dung and then want to come in
the house. Wassup with that ? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 05:47 pm:

I suppose the Koch brothers have nothing to lose if all their industries were taxed for excess CO2 emissions. Follow their money...

You're right, Burger. The mil is the biggest oil consumer in the US. And they've been in the thick of protecting our cheap supplies since 1950.

from Wiki again:
"According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimate for 2011, the world consumes 87.421 million barrels of oil each day."

How does a volcano belching ash once in awhile compare to that?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 05:50 pm:

Paul, gray wolves control excess elk real good.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Trenton, New Jersey on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 06:02 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gustaf in Idaho on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 06:17 pm:

There are several factors to the global warming debate that are often ignored. First is global warming is a fact, there is sound evidence that it started about 15,000 years ago. Second; people tend not to trust the politically driven doom mongers, because every group of children are bombarded with doomsday predictions to manipulate them, when I was a kid, it was that we were going to run out of oxygen by the year 2020. third, all the efforts to curb global warming have been placed on the lower classes, while the wealthy can buy carbon credits to keep their life style unaffected. But the biggest issue, if we are really causing the earth to warm due to carbon emissions, then why hasn't the areas where the carbon is emitted being questioned? We do know that carbon with absorb radiation, but carbon emitted at the surface of the earth in co2 or particulates can be easily removed by photosynthesis and precipitation. It would seem that the rise in temperatures can be linked to the greater amount of carbon emitted in the stratosphere, where it can not easily precipitate out, or be converted by photosynthesis. You can be sure that the people in power who want to cut off power to the lower class would not consider limited their air travel.
The real puzzle though, is ecologists have criticized mankind for trying to control nature rather than adapt to it, and now they are suggesting spreading millions of tons of sulfur in the upper atmosphere to try to control the weather.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ray Green on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 06:47 pm:

Global warming is a load of crap put out by people who want to be known as they really have no claim on the world stage and all the tree huggers follow them blindly, the weather man can not tell us what tomorrow will bring so how can some one tell us whats going to be here in 100 years time, the world has phases and this is just one of them and they come and go. I have seen it hotter and wetter in the last 60years, in the 50's and 60's the crackpots blamed the bomb, the same nut cases blamed the space effort in the 70's, now we can blame all the politicians for the hot air they expel from both ends with their lies and what we will do for you boasts. How do you like those nuts??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tim moore, "Island City" MI on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 06:58 pm:

Don't know about global warming but it sure is cold here this weekend. It is so cold that I had 3 fires going today, one in the add on wood furnace, second in the living room insert and the third on my Chevy truck motor and my arm. Truck wouldn't start so I took the top off and had son-in-law crank it while I opened the throttle body and sprayed starting fluid (I hate that stuff and normally use carb. cleaner) POOF flames!!! Being -9 I had lots of cover on so didn't get burned. It has been staggering a little lately on start up so flat bed to the shop for probably an electrical problem.

Chevy...built like a rock, sits right there, doesn't move and stone cold.

Tim Moore


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Vitko on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 07:00 pm:

Went past Redding Bill came on the freeway from Red bluff a few weeks past. Western Nevada is in a sad state with water wells drying up on some nice shacks. Went by Mt Shasta reservoir it looked like it was thirty feet down----SAD! Said before its not smart to not send Columbia river water south by barge or train even if there might be an unwanted frog or fish in California. Oh Well lots of water here!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 07:15 pm:

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

When I was in school 20 years ago, they were scaring us with "global cooling" that was going to kill us all.

To keep this at least Model T era related, this is Piltdown Man all over again. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 07:29 pm:

I suspect Fred was being a bit on the facetious side! And with respect to "global warming", I believe now they prefer to refer to it as "climate change", and the net result of it all is more about the EXTREMES in the weather becoming the "new normal". Have we noticed that weather events are getting to be more severe whether it be spring/summer storms or winter blizzards, and the frequency of same? Look how many tornadoes larger than F3 there have been in the last decade. Plenty.
From what I've read it's gonna get worse before it gets better.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Vitko on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 07:43 pm:

Not doom and gloom but share when important! Oregon and Washington has it California needs it!
The less green spent on food is more green for T stuff.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 08:08 pm:

Paul, like I told my mother in Oregon 30 years ago: if you don't want your water sent south, we'll just send a few million people up there to drink it directly.

RDR
Oregon native


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By n maver on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 08:36 pm:

Geoengineering Affects You and Your Loved Ones


http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/



N


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Vitko on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 08:41 pm:

Its the mentality of folks Rick! You are smart I cant change thinking can only work in my small corner of the USA with my thinking adjusted with a few beers that does not help with my fat mouth opening up! Take care! Paul


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 09:01 pm:

I often wonder why people who get attacks of the vapors about the Koch brothers don't seem very concerned about George Soros, Tom Steyer and other left-wing millionaire donors. I guess pouring money into political causes is only bad if the causes are not politically correct in the view of those having the conniptions.

Since the climate has been changing for hundreds upon hundreds of millennia, it would seem very unlikely that it is not changing now. What I don't understand is why the climate 20 or 30 years ago has suddenly become the only acceptable one. Folks, we will be dust and long forgotten and the planet will still be warming and cooling for hundreds of millennia to come. It's okay. Have a beer or a glass of wine. Relax... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison North of Iowa on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 09:23 pm:

I really get a chuckle out of guys with their conspiracy theories. I've got a cousin who likes to get a knot in his sac because the government is messing with the earths atmosphere. Con-trails have become chem-trails. And theirs ways of telling the difference by the way they change shape.

He showed a photo of a spiders web with dew on it and casting a reflection in the sun. His story was that it was some kind of fiber that came from the chem-trails.

I can't wait to get together with him and smoke some of whatever it is he's been smoking.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 08:19 am:

Ricks: in your chart above you forgot one Item... Volcano's How many metric tons of green house gasses did that volcano in Iceland put in the air after erupting for 3 months?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 08:24 am:

When will people connect the dots that if the world's population was 1/4 of
what it is now, none of these problems would be problems, and perhaps slow
down on the kid-farming ????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison North of Iowa on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 08:38 am:

With all the hate, war and killing going on in the world the herd could be thinned through attrition. The problem isn't pollution as much as it's the natural process of procreation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 09:03 am:

You want to discuss Global Warming(Climate Change)? In Syracuse, NY we broke the record temperature set back in 1943. I have a friend that buys into this crap, his remarks over the years are: in winters that we have heavy snow it is because of global warming, in other years when we don't have a lot of snow, it's because of global warming. Now how do you make sense of that? Anything to fit the agenda!
Attached is a picture of my truck 10 minutes after coming back from the store and a picture of my barn. Notice the huge icicle hanging from the rain gutter, it has been there for a month. Sure don't look like global warming to me. Waiting for actual warming to come so I can drive my T!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 09:05 am:

Back to the original subject, here's a picture I took ten minutes ago.


It looks like only about an inch so far, but I'm hoping for a lot more.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Dwyer in Troy, New York on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 09:21 am:

I've been around scientists long enough to know how political the profession is. First, as a group they are extreme liberals politically. Second, no young faculty member would dare criticize the Global Warming Party bosses because they would never get tenure or advance their careers. Many research grants are given out by the government, and the National Science Foundation (NSF) would certainly would never support anyone who did not toe the party line.

About ten years ago the local college had a rally at the river front warning everyone about Global Warming, claiming that within 20 years the whole downtown would be under water. Guess what --- no one is talking about that anymore.

All that said, I still think that reducing pollution of any sort is a good thing. Why dirty your nest? This is still the only place we can call home.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 09:21 am:

It's summer here in SoCalif, and setting heat records.

Volcanoes are a drop in the bucket, whether 3 months or two years. Ash does provide some protective cloud. We had fantastic sunsets from Mt. Pinatubo.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 10:20 am:

Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant but the enviro-nazi EPA thinks so. This way they can regulate out of existence fossil fuel.

Global warming has become a cult religion to the wacko left. It's all about "Feelings" and nothing to do with the gray matter in your skull. I think the arrogance of these people to think GOD in his divine wisdom doesn't know what he's doing and they know better is ludicrous at best.

Carbon Dioxide is the staff of life, Without it this would be a dead planet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 11:13 am:

As you know, Jay, it's about balance. The deniers are the ones who can't show real measurements. I'm the only one who has posted facts, with references.

The rainforests are being whittled away. The oceans are getting more acidic. Plankton provide a large share of our oxygen.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 11:27 am:

Ralph, Scott Dwyer is right-on with his remarks a few posts back.

Being a scientist you have to tow the liberal line or pay the price. Just like the people who work in Hollywood!

The gullible are easy to convince the moon is made of green cheese.:-)

BTW: Anyone can crap in a hanky and call it "Facts."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 11:47 am:

Global warming. Aint that something along the lines of Y2K?
I will never forget when the clock turned 12:01 on new years eve 2000.
I put my debt card in a gas pump and filled my 74 lincoln up with gas. Something the screaming idiots said I wouldn't be able to do after 12:01 2000.

I am very thankful for the minor climate changes over the past few million years. I am burning the remains of dinosaurs instead of being chased by the damn things.
By the way, last forecast I saw it going to be around 8 Thursday morning with the temp Feeling like 2 or so?. Warming my a--.
I wont deny that being stupid is not hurting us to some degree. Dumping burnt oil out under a oak tree is not smart.
Dumping sewage into a volcano is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. Can you imagine how crappy of a situation it will be when that thing does go off?

Here is my take on global warming.
Just to lay it out.
I honestly feel like the liberals have come up with this lie to help in controlling, and down grading our standard of living. They don't want you to drive a full size suv as a reward to yourself for your hard work and to be safe. They want you in a cracker box,or walking. They don't want company's to make a profit selling goods. They want to spread the wealth to other country's so that everyone worldwide will be barefooted,walking down dirt streets but watching their Sony wide screen tv's when they get home to get news of the latest fad or trend.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 02:47 pm:

There used to be trees and grass in my country but now it's unfashionable so they replaced it with houses full of people that eat huge amounts of food. But where does the food come from? Not from the farms they displaced. My trees died from the drought. Sure doesn't rain every second day anymore. And Y2K was problematic for some computers that stopped being able to count properly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 03:06 pm:

Wow - All this because I was being sarcastic about getting more snow in NH. We have so much that 12 inches is just a flurry now.


Jay - I see that you understand right coasters having a bit of a problem with global warming. It even makes it harder to believe when the current pres thinks it is more dangerous than ISIS, illegal immigration, or the debt.


Dick Lodge - I'm glad you brought up the truth about how the Koch Brothers are attacked and the medial says very little about the dangers of Soros etc.



At one time Ralf's comments made me mad, then they were funny, Now ------- I feel sorry for him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 03:14 pm:


quote:

I'm the only one who has posted facts, with references.




You must have missed the article I posted:
http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/techandscience/the-fiddling-with-temperature-data- is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever/ar-AA98eVG


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 03:14 pm:

I am always suspicious when an issue that is supposed to be scientific is getting all its support from one extreme of the political spectrum. I smell an agenda that is more political than scientific.

It has also occurred to me in the same vein that if a couple of highly reputable and respected polling organizations came forward with new data reliably indicating a shift in sentiment in the illegal immigrant population away from Democrats and heavily toward Republicans, the border would snap shut so fast our heads would spin. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 06:38 pm:

Follow me here. Why the worry over climate change? The earth has in the past been both warmer and colder than right now. Many argue against intelligent design (creation) of the earth. Since the largest argument comes from those in acadamia (far left), they must believe they hold the answers. I would like them to answer this. What is the ideal temp of the earth? It would appear the we have hit that ideal number a few times in transient.

Reminds me of a saying my neighbor used to use when I was a kid, "sometimes the price of eggs ain't worth all the wear and tear on a chickens ass".

It would appear that science could better focus their efforts at solving the very real issues that remain unresolved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 11:13 pm:

99.8 % of the matter in our little solar system is contained in our sun. Stop for a minute and think about that. All of the planets together make up only .02% of the mass of in our solar system.
The sun is 93,000,000 miles away from us and the energy from it will burn your skin.
The light from the sun traveling at 183,000 miles per second takes just over 8 minutes to reach us.
The photons of light that we see today were created before humans ever populated the Earth.
The sun is about 4.5 billion years old and is about 1/2 way through its life cycle.
The sun converts about 660 tons of hydrogen into helium every second and has been doing so for about 4.5 billion years.
While water covers over 70% of the surface of our planet it only accounts for about 6% of the Earths mass. That is something we should really pay attention to.
The moon is slowly moving away from us. Just a few centimeter's a year but the effect on tides is real. Tides were many times higher early in our planets history. Tides are responsible for absorbing a lot of C02 into the ocean.


And you really think that I should believe that cow farts are responsible for climate change?

Climate change is real. It has been going on for 4.5 billion years. If you think that we are responsible for climate change then, in my humble opinion, you cannot understand really big numbers. Just my .02.

(Message edited by paulmikeska on February 16, 2015)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 11:16 pm:

As I slip and fall on the ice that is coming from the sky I guess I am to believe the polar icecap is jumping on a airplane and parachuting down in my yard.1/4 of ice already. everything immobile.I would rather have 7 inches of snow.At least my feet can sink down in it and I can walk.This ice,I cant walk at all hardly.
You know they can't cure the common cold,but we have space craft taking pictures many miles away clearer than most that are posted on this forum.



If you ask a polar bear what his ideal temp would be, it would be different than mine. That is why we live in different spots on the planet.

I doubt we will have power in the morning. Everything building up with ice and they do so little maintenance on the lines around here it is pitiful. So If you don't get to read my grumbling , I will be back some time later this week!.
I know,thanks for the warning!:>)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison North of Iowa on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 11:24 pm:

Depending on your perspective, .02 could be an absolutely huge number.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 11:27 pm:

You can perform small scale climate change if you like. Cover a large area (couple of square miles or more) in large mirrors and another area in black volcanic rocks. Another area needs to be soaked in water with trees and plants and moss growing all over it. This is the situation in a city built on volcanoes. Watch the clouds and rainfall. Re-arrange and see what happens.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 11:30 pm:

Mike,

That is what I meant by big numbers!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 11:59 pm:

Also, If left alone our sun will swallow the earth as it reaches the end of its life. That may not happen as the Andromeda system is on a collision course with us and it looks like it will hit us in about 2 billion years! I am not sure what to do with my Model T's.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison North of Iowa on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 12:24 am:

Paul :-). I can't wait. Seeing the sun swallow the earth should be quite a show! I hope I get a front row seat. But then of course there's always reverse time travel.

Have you ever noticed how blurred things get when you're riding in the front seat of a photon. And have you noticed photons traveling in the same direction seem to stand still.

Years ago, in another life I was taking public transportation and when I looked off into the distance I noticed this clock tower. And I got to thinking...

Excuse me for a minute, I gotta take another toke on this...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison North of Iowa on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 12:26 am:

Okay, I'm back. Where were we? Oh yeah... Oh look a puppy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 12:54 am:

Yea,my left hip is in pain from slipping and twisting and falling awhile ago. Amazing how hard the earth is when you hit it full force.Didnt dent it though! good night!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By samuel pine on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 05:29 am:

Not only to plow it we gotta haul it...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 07:15 am:

Samuel, love your truck, how about some more pics of it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 08:04 am:

Why don't all you East coasters pack up, box up and or rail freight all the lovely snow to California? I'm sure we could get Governor Moonbeam to pay the shipping. Hell I'd rather invest our tax dollars in a venture like that than that stupid not so high speed bullet train to nowhere...and it's probably far more feasible than that stupid bloody train too.
Here in California, they come up with all sorts of weird, sometimes crazy ideas, have people vote on them, get them past only to find out they're completely unworkable and or financially unfeasible.
Case in point, bringing an iceberg down from the Arctic Circle. All the political types got all excited about that one, even got celebrities (you know those nincompoops that pretend to be anybody but who they are for money), they got these Einstein's on board with the idea who touted it widely like they knew what they were blathering about. Only to find out that when they worked the numbers that the bloody iceberg would melt down to the size of a bar of soap by the time it got here.
It used to be that Hollywood was like a bowl of granola...now it's the whole bloody State and Moonbeam is the biggest nut in the bowl.

Anyhoo...weather guys don't know what's happening from one moment to the next, that's why they give percentages of probabilities. So they can sound like the know what they're talking about, and yet not be held accountable for whatever they did or didn't say.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freighter Jim on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 08:20 am:

I am naive ...

Seems to me that if offshore underwater current generators were combined w/ desalination plants - that would help ease California' water issues ..


Freighter Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pat Clark-Deer Lodge, Tn on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 08:24 am:

Being a tv meteorologist is having one of the best jobs there is! You Don't have to right! Just present it with a smile, and you get the big bucks!

Pat


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 09:00 am:

Jim,you are actually talking about a solution to the problem.They dont want that. Then they would have nothing to whine about and would have to get back to work!
I have been awake since 6:30 and NOTHING has passed by the house.Only about a inch or so but it is SOLID.
I was very concerned about safely getting my dogs to and from their lot this morning to do their business because I am letting them snooze in the warm shop over night.And will be till Saturday because it is going to get colder.
I was afraid I would slip and fall because 1 dog is not that leash trained.He tries to pull me. Well the funny thing is,he could not get any traction either. He fell flat on his belly and looked up at me like I had done something.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 09:28 am:

I made a slight boo boo in my post above. The sun converts about 660 MILLION tons of hydrogen into helium every second! Again just take a minute to think about that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Vitko on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 10:18 am:

Fuel to the fire!
On the positive side--- its 39 here at 7 AM predicted 61 high.
Critters have been out all came back.
Good razor clam tides.
No fresh elk dung.
Power surge taking out my battery backup is repaired.
Governor has resigned.
Our leader is far to the south playing golf.
My Gene French line boring set up should arrive
The crappy weather is far to the east.
Nothing on the negative side so far today!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 10:35 am:

Jim, What would really help California, where the inmates run the asylum, would be to convert all the enviro-wackos that are locking up our natural resources in the state into soylent green. As an added bonus It would go a long way to feed the Worlds hungry! Talk about Win/Win!:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 03:27 pm:

This weather and the coming cold snap of 8 degrees is playing havoc with a local shop. They work on fire trucks and have 4 or 5 large ladder trucks with the ladders extended waiting on parts.They are spending about 50 bucks a day each, on kerosene for torpedo heaters just to keep the pumps and valves from freezing and busting. Talk about burning up the profit!.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 03:41 pm:

I'm stubborn! I'm just sitting here enjoying global warming. Coldest February in Syracuse history. Coldest month ever, and record for consecutive below freezing temperatures every day of the month.
Hey, the sun is out so I might as well enjoy it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 04:03 pm:

Last week I was in boring San Diego.
It was 60 every night and 65 during the day.
We agreed to not discuss politics or religion and the weather was not worth talking about.
All we could do was stare at each other and enjoy the local suds.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 07:28 pm:

Dan, since misery loves company, we've joined you in the record department. Coldest Feb. on record here in northern Ohio also. Got 8" snow on the ground this moment. Two good shots of snow today. And the weatherman was right this time about how it would happen!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Vitko on Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 08:56 pm:

Astoria started at 30 today by the end of the day the sun was out close to 50 calm no snow. Its hard to imagine the difference from west to east. You eastern folks take care!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 12:09 am:

He He... C02 is a trace gas in our atmosphere. It represents about .039% of what makes up the mix of gases in our air. In other words if C02 was alcohol we wouldn't even have a buzz. If you really feel the need to reduce C02 plant a couple of trees or just water your yard to keep the grass growing. Just my .02

Climate change is real. It has been going on for about 4.5 billion years on our planet and we have virtually nothing to do with it. Again, just my uninformed .02


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 12:15 am:

... and excuse me while I sign off of the forum and go out and shovel the global warming off of my sidewalk and driveway.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 12:51 am:

Since CO2 is such a small percentage of the air, the 9 billion tons of carbon we're spewing into the air is that much more meaningful.

The oceans absorb CO2, and are becoming more acidic.

Human blood is the same salinity and has many of the same components of seawater. That's not a coincidence.

My restricted breathing is causing a buildup of CO2 in my blood, and as a result, making it more acidic. If the level of CO2 gets too high, the blood acidity will damage my other systems.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 01:08 am:

Ralph

Do they have you taking Sodium Bicarbonate tablets to neutralize all the acid?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 01:19 am:

Not yet, Dave. I will ask this week.

Correction to above: Human blood is only 1/3 as saline as seawater. pH of seawater is 7.5 to 8.3 . My blood is pH 7.4 .
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from Wiki:

Climate change, rising atmospheric carbon dioxide, excess nutrients, and pollution in many forms are altering global oceanic geochemistry. Rates of change for some aspects greatly exceed those in the historical and recent geological record. Major trends include an increasing acidity, reduced subsurface oxygen in both near-shore and pelagic waters, rising coastal nitrogen levels, and widespread increases in mercury and persistent organic pollutants. Most of these perturbations are tied either directly or indirectly to human fossil fuel combustion, fertilizer, and industrial activity.

Concentrations are projected to grow in coming decades, with negative impacts on ocean biota and other marine resources.[22]


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 06:55 am:

Just seen this on our local news, had to post! T-shirt's available from local TV station. My wife is buying a couple of them


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