Thank you Dane H.
That second one is a VERY interesting truck! I wish (or hope) we could get a few other views of this thing. The details in the photo are incredible, just the angle is wrong to see much.
It appears to be some kind of "form-a-truck, but I do not recognize it from any others I have seen. It does appear to be a standard car chassis, extended (and oh boy is it extended!) using 6X6 wooden timbers, one on each side. There is an additional timber (a bit smaller) lengthwise on top of that as part of the bed foundation, then the cross pieces for the bed.
Really heavy-duty springs are attached to the wooden timbers to support the extended chassis on the heavy-duty rear axle.
The car chassis has forged running board brackets with a wooden plank running board.
I can't tell what it uses for a differential or final drive. The heavy-duty angle-beam axle can be seen and appears centered to the heavy-duty rear wheels. But no differential can be seen, nor chains or sprockets to speculate how it is driven. Brakes can be seen on the outside of the rear drums.
Something, a radius brace perhaps, can be seen extending down to near the rear wheel maybe, from what looks to maybe be the rear cross member flipped upside down. That something could also be an open drive-shaft? The angle of the picture doesn't help much. All that part is pure speculation. You can clearly see the muffler mounted inside the frame, slightly ahead of what may or may not be a flipped rear cross member.
The truck is finished off nicely with a simple, but nice, C-cab, and a front bumper. And I love those heavy square spoke wheels, front and rear!
This picture is a real treat! (at least if you like early trucks)
The other link is not bad either, especially if you like Fordson tractors. I would love to have a T era Fordson tractor, and that is the one I want.
Thank you again Dane H.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
Truck conversions were very popular here in the UK. Some designs were imported from the USA, but not all.
Not only were there kits to convert T cars, but also to extend TTs.
I think 1919 is too early for this to be a TT.
There is clearly a heavy-duty rear axle, but no sign of the drive. There were designs in the UK which retained the car axle in front of the new load-bearing axle, and then connected the drive by one of four methods:
1. pinions on the car axle driving internal ring gears on the wheel rims - these were usually used on tractors to give very low gearing.
2. very short chain drive enclosed within the hub or brake drum. Here is the Karyton, first photo below.
3. gears on the car axle driving larger gears on the hubs of the new axle - again enclosed in the drum or hub.
4. A completely new rear axle and differential. The Hudford, made in Philadelphia, was of this type (second picture below)
I would guess that the truck pictured here could well be the second type, though not the Karyton pictured here.
There must also have been an extension shaft (and maybe an auxiliary gearbox) between the Ford transmission and the front of the drive-shaft.
It's quite possible the only things Ford about that truck are the front axle and the sheet metal. Anybody see other actual Ford parts?
Even if the driver was sober it would be pretty hard to drive that truck looking through that windshield!
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I think Steve and Chris are onto something. The oversized brakes would be a necessity for a large truck operating in San Francisco, as would gearing. My guess is that this truck probably had a sliding gear transmission, very heavy duty reduction gear rear axle similar to what Chris has presented and that the engine was possibly located under the seat area, since there is no evidence of a Ford pan/crankcase to be seen. This configuration would be similar to the Autocar layout.
Custom built trucks of this capacity were no strangers to the West Coast during the era pictured.
what is this one?
Can't see the front but the rear end seems to be like the Model A or AC. Anyone?
The coil box is visible pretty good. Connectors are on the bottom.
Ken in Texas
Steve said "It's quite possible the only things Ford about that truck are the front axle and the sheet metal. Anybody see other actual Ford parts?"
Well, for starters, the radiator cap. But as well as that there seems to be TT radius rods from the rear axle to a point below and between the second and third deck cross member, and apparently terminating at what is probably an auxiliary transmission.
I think it is a Model S Runabout.