I need the rear rims for my 1917 TT chasis, already have the hubs and fellows. any help would be appreciated
Don't the pre1919 rear wheels have solid rubber tires that do not come off?
I had an 18 witch had solid rubber rear wheels
My 21 has after market hard rubber wheels all the way around
I thought the TT didn't come out until 1918.??
There were a few built for the Army prior to normal release but first ones available to the public if I remember were in December 1917. These would be considered year model 1918. Hard rubber for the rear was used up until 1922 I believe.
Rim info indicates that the 23" Hayes were used 1919 onward, am thinking they may have been optional with the hard rubber as the other option.
my wheels could have been added later, but the hubs are 7". did not have tires when I got it, already sent fellows to calimers for spokes, I think they were 23"
Most of the 23" for the rear of the TT were Hayes however Ford also used Kelsey as a second supplier.
Unless you can supply a detail picture of your steel felloes, I would suggest you wait until you get them back and ID exactly what you have. The Hayes and Kelsey 23" do not interchange.
Layden, do you by chance have a pic of each?
thanks for the info Layden, how can I tell them apart?
Here are some pictures of a 23" Hayes.
Mine look like that. Would like to see a pic of the "other type" so I can keep from buying the wrong one.
I have a Kelsey 23" but it is in my shed that is frozen shut. The rims on a Kelsey do not have attached lugs. They use a separate lug with a built in nut that allows it to swivel for rim removal. Also there is an insert that goes between the felloe and the rim. The picture of the lugs is one that Steve Jelf posted last year and the wheel is one that belongs to Andy Loso.
Thanks Justin, that is the info I needed, and so I hope it helps others also.
Hope these help.
can I tell from the steel fellows or hubs which rim I need? thanks for the info on the rims.
Hubs are the same for all 4 types of rear wheels that the TT used.
I believe that the outer edge on the Hayes steel felloe flairs toward the hubcap, see 3 pictures above by Justin H.
The outside edge on the Kelsey is not.
You may also be able to read stamped markings on the rim side of the felloe between the spokes.
if they have the round band where rim meets fellow are they Kelsey Rims?
Only the Kelsey uses what is called a clamping ring between the rim and the felloe. The 6 lugs press on it as seen in the single wheel picture by Justin above.
The ring is actually 6 sided in cross section, that is unless someone replaced it with a piece of steel rod!
Perfect, thanks. I need 2 Kelsey rear rims if anyone has them
Jeff, I believe that I have 2 really nice Kelsey rims but it may be a few weeks until I can get them out of my shed. The ground has heaved up and wedged my door shut. I love winter.
Thanks Justin, I look forward to hearing from you when warmer weather comes
Well, I got the shed open. For reference,here are some more pictures of a Kelsey 23" wheel without a rim on it and also some of the rims. I'll send you a PM about the rims Jeff.
awhile back i asked for identification of a tt rim, and before i posted the question i looked at ALL the old threads,and this one takes the prize. nice pictures justin and as always wheel facts from layden, thank you both. this thread should take care of any questions on tt rear wheels and rims