**1926-1927 Tie Rod/Drag Link/Perch Assembly**

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: **1926-1927 Tie Rod/Drag Link/Perch Assembly**
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Friday, March 06, 2015 - 02:22 am:

I think I've got this right, but I'm not sure, so I thought I'd run it past you guys and see. If you see anything that's not right, please let me know, thanks.



Again, some of these numbers (most of them actually) are Lang's part numbers, which will have to do until I get my hands on MaCalley's discs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob on Texas Gulf Coast on Friday, March 06, 2015 - 06:29 am:

Is there someplace all your graphics are accessible?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Friday, March 06, 2015 - 07:29 am:

Bob, not as yet, but some of them will be featured in Don Lang's new catalog. I think he's also planning on putting the ones he doesn't use on his reference site...I think.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John McGinnis in San Jose area, CA. on Friday, March 06, 2015 - 08:10 am:

Curious about the axle...looks like a European low chassis design. Never seen one in my travels....at least not on my '26-'27.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, March 06, 2015 - 08:23 am:

Now that's an idea, John.. Maybe I can supply some photos of european drop frame parts for 1925-27 for yet another excellent assembly drawing from Martin :-)

Here are a couple pictures from the forum showing the 1925 version:

df tudor
herve front axle
(The last one submitted by Herve Cedric from France)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Friday, March 06, 2015 - 04:56 pm:

Sooo, you're saying that the 26-27 axle doesn't have that drop? The picture somebody posted of the 26-27 axle did, it's what I used to draw that spindle assembly.



Ok, hmmm, if that's true could you take some pictures of your axle and I'll make change?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Friday, March 06, 2015 - 05:00 pm:

Isn't that wishbone in the wrong position for 26-27 on that French picture? Shouldn't it be mounted on the bottom of the axle? Or is that the way it was for the foreign market? Might have to make another drawing if that's true.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, March 06, 2015 - 06:35 pm:

Martin, the US and Canadian cars had the same style front axle from 1911-27 - at least in the ends that show in you excellent drawings.

John had a minor complaint that your drawing above may look a bit like the special drop frame axle made in England for the european market in 1925-27, so you can adjust it some if you like, and if you feel like doing a complete series of all Ford styles, the european Drop Frame version would add two more drawings, one for the 1925 version shown in the above two pictures (I'll see if I can find more detail pictures)

The drop frame european 1926/27 differed only in that regular US 26/27 spindles were used, though the chassis was still about the same height since the new front spring with a lower arc was used, compensating for the slightly raised spindle.

The special lowered front axle, the special above the axle wishbones with conical holes and the special perches with a cone that matched the wishbone were the same all three years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Friday, March 06, 2015 - 09:49 pm:

Roger, if you've got picture examples for the years you're talking about, I'll draw them too. Just yesterday I was talking with Don Lang about the differences between the American and Canadian cars, we never touched upon the European cars. But I'll draw those if I can get examples of their differences and even their similarities for comparison. The only way to better the understanding of these cars in my mind is to draw them ALL and I want to do it!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tony Bowker, Ramona, CA on Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 12:13 am:

Bruce's (RIP) disk on the parts list shows one axle (p/n 2691) from 1911 to 1927, of course this is probably US production and is not foolproof....

FRONT AXLE (Type “AA” steel drop forging)
2691
Apr 11 202B 1911-27 8.00
Apr 18 202B 1909-18 10.00
Nov 18 202B 1909-18 13.00
Jul 19 202B 1909-19 14.00
Jul 21 202B 1909-21 10.00
Dec 22 202B 1909-22 9.00
Oct 27 202B 1909-27 9.00


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tony Bowker, Ramona, CA on Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 01:39 am:

A very minor point, the part 2729B does not appear to include the cotter pin.

This is 2729B:

BOLT and NUT (Ball socket, 1-5/32 x 3/8” x 24 T.P.I.)
2729B
Oct 17 79/8 1917 1917-27 .05
Apr 18 79/8 1917-18 .05
Jun 18 Use 2722
Dec 20 Use 2722 and 2722B
Dec 21 Use 2722 and 2515
Apr 22 Use 3362 and 2515

This is the bolt 2722:

BOLT (Clamping, for 2721, 1-5/32 x 5/32” x 24 T.P.I.)
2722
Jan 09 250 1909-14 .05
Dec 11 79 .05 With nut
May 12 79/251 .05
Oct 13 79/8 1909-14 .05
Feb 16 Use 2554
May 17 79/8 1909-17 .05
May 20 79/8 1909-18 .08
Dec 20 79 1909-18 .07 Bolt only
Jul 21 79 1909-18 .05
Apr 22 Use 3362 and 2515
NUT (For 2722)
2722B
Dec 20 8 1909-18 .03
Dec 21 Use 2515 (Same part)
NUT (For 2722)
2723
Jan 09 251 .02
Jul 11 251 .02 With 2722 late

Then bolt 3362:

T-79 3362 1917-27 1909-27 1915-27 Bolt, 3/8-24 x 1-5/32". Same as 2554, 2722

Then nut 2515:

T-8 2515 1914-27 1909-27 1911-27 Nut, 3/8-24 castle. Use 9/16" wrench

The cotter pin is listed as 2556:

T-81 2556 1909 1909 1909-27 Cotter pin, for 79.

In none of them is the cotter pin included in the part number.
To be correct to the parts list the 1926/7 should have the bolt as 3362, the nut 2515 and the cotter pin 2556. Mind you I am sure the parts are all sold as 2729B !

Very minor but I am sure you want it as correct as possible. I love the drawings, please let us know where and when we can get a set.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 01:40 am:

Did you notice in the picture there are three 2691's? One has a deeper looking top ridge than the other one, also the center span is not as curved as the other one and the third one has the drop...which one of these is used in America? I would love to know what the "DF" means on that bottom axle, do you think it refers to foreign cars only?

And not for the last time do I also wish I had those damn disc's! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 05:04 am:

"DF" stands for the english made Drop Frame chassis parts unique for european sold Fords 1925-27 I wrote about above.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By arnie johansen on Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 03:11 pm:

I think is has been mentioned before that there was an front axle used in some 1927 vehicles that had more of an arc then previous front axles. It was reported to be only used in 1927 production.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 05:56 pm:

Thanks Roger, ok, soooo should that spindle assembly have the wishbone mounted on top of the axle as in the French picture you posted, or is it mounted under like it's shown? I know you said there were minor or slight differences from 1925-1927's, and the location of the wishbone is one of them?

Ya know, this is how I ended up with 7 different switches too, lol. I thought 6 spindle assemblies was too few, I guess I'll just have to add a few more, gumdrops...more fun! :-)

And I guess is follows there will be more tie rod/drag/perch assemblies too. It's like I say guys, the fun just never quits! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 10:33 pm:

Ok after an interesting side trip to Europe's tie rod/drag ling/spring perch assembly, I've finally gotten back to the US version of the same assembly...I think.:-)


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