'23 T wont move!

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: '23 T wont move!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew smith on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 12:51 pm:

We have a '23 Coupe that just the other day stopped moving while driving.
There was a strange new "clunk" noise while engaging low, but not high gear. Later during the same 1/2 mile drive, the same noise occurred in both gears...this time more like a "bang bang bang. Then it came to a quick stop.
It wont move forward or backward with the pedals, and it wont roll in neutral either. I had to be towed home.
Can anyone please tell me what happened?!?
We are somewhat new to the T world and since we bought this coupe last fall, this is the first problem we have had.
Please help!
Thank you, John and Matt


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 12:59 pm:

You might have become a new member of " The Two Piece Crank Club" !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Bohlen, Severn MD on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 01:07 pm:

Matt,

Could be a broken crank but I'm betting on a burst transmission drum or a magnet let loose.

Please pull the transmission inspection cover and look at the drums.

Do a search on this forum under the topic of cracked or shattered transmission drum. There have been several discussed here over the years.

Good luck and let us know what you find.
Larry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 01:08 pm:

It's a little hard to tell but I don't think it's the engine Steve. When Mathew says it won't move with the pedals I think that means with the engine running, which sounds more like a rear end failure to me.

Mathew: When it won't move with the pedals does that mean with the engine running? When it won't roll either, can the engine be turned over and/or started?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Garrison - Rice Minnesota on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 01:08 pm:

So, it sounds like you're saying the motor still runs but something broke somewhere between the transmission and the rear wheels? Something like a u-joint, key in a pinion gear, rear axle, or maybe the thrust washers in the rearend gave out or something along those lines?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 01:09 pm:

Matthew,

I think something went "bang" in the rear end.

Will the engine run and does it sound o.k.?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Garrison - Rice Minnesota on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 01:10 pm:

Thanks Henry, you say it much better than me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew smith on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 11:06 pm:

The engine was running just fine. The seizure occurred while starting off on a green traffic light. Got up to about 2mph then...@#$%
We haven't tried to start it since, however, after removing the access panel, everything looks OK, but we accidently hit the starter button (factory installed on the floor) and it made a somewhat scary sound.
Probably important side note...the starter stopped working a couple weeks ago. We have had to crank start the last couple of drive times.
Accidently hitting the starter while inspecting the trans and hearing that not quite right noise made us think the starter might somehow be the issue.
Does this make sense?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 11:21 pm:

Mathew,
You said "was running just fine", which doesn't tell us what it's doing now. If you pull the emergency brake lever all the way back, then with the key off, can you turn the engine with the hand crank?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Saniewski Denville NJ on Tuesday, April 21, 2015 - 07:24 am:

Try jacking up the rear, and see if the wheels will turn . It could be your pinion bearing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, April 21, 2015 - 08:50 am:

Without more specific information about the details, several of the suggestions above are valid. Here's the one that seems most likely to me so far.

http://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG79.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Tuesday, April 21, 2015 - 01:06 pm:

Here is what a broken low drum looks like. This happened when I pushed the low pedal. The car stopped and could not even be pushed in neutral. It didn't cause any problem with the crankshaft.


It could be a problem in the rear axle, but a rear axle problem is more likely to cause the car to go into free wheeling.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, April 21, 2015 - 01:13 pm:

Norm is right that free wheeling is more likely in the rear axle, but in my case it locked up the wheel with broken brake parts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Wednesday, April 22, 2015 - 03:32 pm:

Matthew,

Please answer the question, "will your engine turn over and run fine now?". Kind of sounds like the answer is "no", with the bad sounds after hitting the starter button.

Remove your trans cover and have a peek.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Warren on Sunday, April 26, 2015 - 11:31 am:

Drain the oil and see if there any teeth there. We had one that broke the out put gear , no neutral, with pedals out (high) the engine will turn over when you push it. If the engine turns over or runs in neutral, it is not this. It probably is in the rear end.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Sunday, April 26, 2015 - 11:33 am:

What did you find, Matthew ????


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