Found these hanging in dad's basement, and cannot figure out what year they are. Any ideas?
1914 up to about 1917.charley
Look like the ones on my '12 , '13 and '14. I think it is correct for '11 through '14
Early ones had bolt on mounts, 14/17 sounds about right.
Are they for sale?
The three "long bolt" muffler with tailpipe was used through at least the end of the 1917 model year based on cars with known histories since new including:
- my unrestored May 1917 runabout
- Rip Van Winkle June 1917 touring
- my dad's July 1917 touring (last month of the model year) purchased in very good, original, unrestored condition from the original family in 1949
If Royce sees this thread, he can probably say the same for his '17 runabout which was a very low mileage and pristine unrestored car when his dad bought around 1951.
dale mark frymiller has a set on e-bay 55.00 buy it now.charley
OK, I'll bow to Erik's superior experience on this one and stand corrected. And in that case, the online Encyclopedia could use some correction as well.
Looks like the one on my '17.
I just checked the MTFCI Judging Guidelines, and it says the one-bolt muffler was introduced in May of 1917, which was late in the model year. It probably took a while to implement the change, using up all the earlier style stock, so some time near the change to '18 models sounds about right.
Thank you all for your help - it's appreciated.
I have a couple of questions about these mufflers -
Do these use 1/4" x 20 threaded rod to hold them together?
What is the orientation of the 2 inner cylinders since they have vent holes? Do both holes go toward the front or the rear? Or does one go toward the front and the other toward the rear?
Since my muffler ends are a little rust pitted, what type sealer should I use?
Thanks for the help. Hope this is not too far from the original question.
The ones on my '13s are 5/16 and I think they are 13 5/16 long.
Those rods were not all-thread,but that would work.No sealer needed,I put the inner holes to back and the middle sleeve holes at front.
The rods are actually bolts with thread on the end. Like Jack Daron says, you can use all thread and two nuts.
I don't know if the bolts for the single bolt muffler are long enough for the three bolt muffler. If they are, you can just buy three from Langs - but I would ask them to provide the measurements before ordering: