Let the games begin.......
That early bidding looks might suspicious. From $5,000 to $10,000 in one fell swoop? Hmmmm...
Love the choke wire
Bidding does not seem suspicious to me. The car, is worth far more than $10,000. It is a 1910 if the engine serial number 13936 is original to the car, and all the original parts are typical for mid to late 1910 model year.
The 1910 model year began August 1, 1909 with serial number 8,101 and ended with serial number 31,500 according to Ford Motor company records on September 30, 1910.
The body appears to be either an original or a very old and well done reproduction. Engine block appears to be the real deal. For what the car will likely sell for I would want to either see it in person or have a very knowledgeable person see it and verify that the axles, frame and associated parts were real.
All the reproduction lamps are a negative. But they can be sold for a fair amount of cash to offset the purchase of real items.
It's a beautiful car, but I consider the color an unfortunate choice. Bruce describes the Brewster Green used on the early cars as "almost black". At least it doesn't have "natural" wheels.
Here's a current example that's advertised as Brewster Green.
Well as of this post, it's now up to over $28,000 bid!
And that green is just plain gross!
Yeah, its terrible...I am sure none of you guys would allow that monstrosity in your garage let alone be seen driving it around in public....
Is that a primer on number two plug? What year did they stop doing that?
Russell, I think it's a spark plug explosion whistle, a period aftermarket accessory.
Honestly I could live with the color too. It's a grand looking car from the pics at least.
Thanks Roger. I have learnt something.
Okay. I have known the seller for about 25 years. He is a really good Horseless Carriage guy, past regional group president (a few times), and fairly well known among model T circles also. To be clear, he is not what I would call a close personal friend, but he always greats me when we cross paths and I like and respect him very much. He has, and has had, several cars over the years, but is not a major collector by any sense of the word. He is a good hobbyist. The kind the hobby could use even more of.
I don't know all of his cars, and as far as I know, he only has one '09/'10 T touring. I have been on a couple of tours alongside his green T touring over the past several years. I have never had much time to look it over closely with any sort of "critical eye", but I always believed it looked really good overall and presented very well.
As to the color. It has been over a year since I saw the car, so assuming (I don't like that word) he does not have a second one or has not painted it since I saw it? The pictures in the listing do not do the car justice. Digital and online photos often do not show colors very well. It may not be quite the perfect choice of Ford green? However, out in the sunlight, in person (at least to me), it looks a lot better than the photos would indicate. I was surprised when I first looked at the pictures.
He has had the car for several years, and has toured it a lot more than most early Ts ever get. There are a few things not 1910 correct, mostly mentioned in his description. I have no idea what he expects to get for the car, or why he would be selling it now (I hope he is looking to get something else!).
I think, all in all, that it is a good car for someone that wants a really early T to drive and enjoy.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
"Greets", "greets", "he greets me when we cross paths-".
I get so annoyed when I make a typo and don't catch it on proofread. Been too many hours and can't edit.
Wayne...I only dissed the color mainly 'cause I just don't particularly like green, was all I could do at the time to "accept" my Model A which is a greenish of sorts. I expected it to be that real real dark green, not an army green. But like you said, pics don't always do colors justice. But I sure like the red '10 that was just auctioned off recently!
I have toured with the owner in the gold country hills. The cars runs well and pulls hills without the use of any aux trans.
Here's the car with my 15 pickup at a Tour last weekend. It looked great in person and I would be proud to own it if I had the money and a place to keep it.
That is as good as it gets as far as I am concerned. It is a pleasure to see the pictures of one that is that well restored. Thanks for the link Craig. I have truly enjoyed it.
No problem Tim W! I know how some people are when it comes to colors. It really did surprise me when I first looked at the eBad listing because his car when I've seen it looked a lot better color than the pictures looked on my computer (and of course, computers can be very different from each other). I was thinking of making a comment even before yours, but I really hesitate to promote (or dis) cars that are advertised, even if I do know them.
The picture Jay posted looks more like I know the car. The pictures from the listing (at least on my computer) look much lighter and more yellow. It truly is a beautiful car. (Showing some of its use, as he says in the listing.)
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
You're welcome Richard.......
I'm not a huge fan of green on cars either but my '27 was green from the factory so I painted the body green.......kind of ironic.
Anyway I really like the green on the '09.
The '11 that was here in town 45ish years ago was black but was THE T that made me always want one.
Green kind of grows on you. I didn't want a red '09 because I had seen so many at Harrah's and other places. I mixed mine with 2 parts "John Deere Green" and 1 part Gloss Black and it was very close to an original '09 and a restored '10 that I have toured with.
I still believe not everyone see's color the same. Just look around.
Aaaaaaand the verdict is in: $42,600.00
Wow. Old Car Reports price guide lists an '09 Touring, Grade 1--which means a car you don't drive, museum quality, work of art,(Not an older restoration with paint chips) at $34,500. Somebody made out real well!
Well bought. Buyer should be happy. I remember the car when it sold at the Harrah's Auction years ago.
What about the open bell horn? Is that correct for an 09?
I ask because mine has the same horn and I like it because it is different than most you see with the screen.
I was told it came with the car when it was bought new?
The best reference is original photos, or factory records. I went through every original 1909 - 1910 photo that I have and could not find any horns without screen. All show a horn like the one in the photo below.
I've seen '09 Touring's on Ebay as high as 75,000 and not sell at that price on Ebay. But they may have sold privately for that.
Tim W et al,
I have said for many years that those price guides are ridiculous. There is far more to estimating the value of a collector car than a handful of past sales. And just how old and where were those past sales? They are not even consistent. I have seen value guides place cars two to three times what they were actually worth. And I have seen them value cars at what I would call the "In your dreams" range, I WISH I could buy cars for some of the prices those guides quote!
I do not claim to be an expert appraiser. But I would say that David did okay at that price (provided all goes through to completion okay). I don't think he scored big time, nor do I think he gave it away. I recall that Rob H sold his earlier and slightly more correct '09 for somewhat more than that a few years back, but I think it was worth that bit more also. I would have liked to see David get more for his car. If he is content with the deal, and hopefully the buyer will be happy with and take good care of the car, that is all that matters.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2