I have always ordered my Champion X plugs under the part number "Champion 425" from the local Orielly's store. A week or so ago I tried to order some online. Zero qty available. Today, I went to the store and was told it appears they have been discontinued.
Does anyone have any good news about them?
I just ordered a set from Oreilleys last fall...the looked them up under "Champion X". I believe I paid around $90 for the set and the kids at the store were astounded at the price haha! Anyway from Omaha they had to be shipped from Kansas City...roughly 2 days for the free shipping.
John -- I got the same response the last time I asked about them.
It must be a recent change as google still shows pages from oriellys as having results but then when you clic it says no results
only 1's I found online,
They're still listed on the Champion website, but mighty dear.
I'll stick with my old used ones.
Mack- My thought- Summit has the wrong photo with the item.
Amazon sells them, that is if you're willing to pay $42 for one plug.
http://www.amazon.com/Champion-Plug-425-Copper-Spark/dp/B002VVOJZS/ref=au_as_r?_ encoding=UTF8&Make=Ford%7C54&Model=Model%20T%7C5385&Year=1924%7C1924&ie=UTF8&n=1 5684181&s=automotive&vehicleId=8&vehicleType=automotive
Why not order straight from Champion? Steve's link shows them to be in-stock.
Performance, durability etc... They don't speak highly of them.
Rock Auto has 4 for $103 and I think free shipping.
I picked up 4 Champion X from amazon about two months ago for $21.50 each, but they have since gone up. A seller on there also had them advertised as "Champion X 425 plug" for $1.25 each. Out of curiosity I bought it and was sent an autolite that looked like it was for a gas mower.
Rock Auto often has the best prices. They don't have a lot of Model T items, but I did get a great deal on front wheel bearings there.
Think I will stick with Motorcraft for around 3-4 dollars and be happy.
Also noticed Champion's durability scale. Makes you wonder.
Those who wrote "Champion's durability scale" have not run them.
Run what you want and what fits your budget. I've tried them all over the years, and my personal choice for durability and trouble-free operation is Champion X.
Personally, sitting on the side of the road cleaning spark plugs is not fun.
Choose your favorite according to price or personal experience. As I walk around looking at cars on the tours that I attend it seems that Champion X is the preferred spark plug by a long shot.
Lang's has them listed at $29.95 each.
If Champion X's have been discontinued, or are worth their weight in solid gold, what is the next best brand plug for touring or daily driving? Are Champion A25's a good choice, or would I be better using the adapters and a long reach modern plug?
I have run a set of the new X plugs for about 4 years now in my 15 touring car and I can confirm that while the plugs work well, the electrodes don't last long. They burn away pretty fast. I've since gone back to original's and I've also run A25's and Autolite F11's... all with good success.
Sure, use the cheaper modern plugs. Some of them are probably OK. But while you're doing that, keep your eyes peeled at swap meets and auctions. You sometimes find good original X's for a lot less than the new ones.
I got an original set of four that had been taken from a running car at Hershey for 20 bucks. They are in my car now.
Terry - I'm running Champion A25s I my speedster with a Rajo Model 30 head. Runs great, no problems. When my dad drove the speedster back in the 50s - 70s, he used Champion A25s also.
Autolite 3095 & Motorcraft F11 are direct replacements. I think they're about $3 each.
I ran the Autolite plugs for a while until I could get a good used set of Champion X's.
I could tell no difference in how the car ran with the Autolites or the Champions.
My question is, are the Autolite and Motorcraft plug one in the same. Autolite always had their plugs in Fords of later years, Ford is not in the business of making their own sparkplugs, but having a company making and badging them yes----soooo....?
Chad, I worked for a Ford dealer in the early seventies. I don't remember all the details, but the change from Autolite to Motorcraft came about because of an anti-trust lawsuit, if I remember correctly.
The Autolite and the Motorcraft plugs will work fine with the supplied nuts.
But be aware that if you want to use the original knurled nuts you must rethread them to match the threads on the modern plugs.
I don't have any Autolite or Motorcraft here to check, but A-25's have the same thread as the brass hat X's (8-32). The earlier X's, like the ones in my picture above, have a 5-40 thread. You could rethread the nuts from those, but it's a bad idea. The 5-40 nuts are scarce, and I've found only two sources for them. Make them yourself, or buy them from RV for $4.50 each. Better to buy 8-32 nuts which are plentiful and cheap, rather than ruining good 5-40 nuts you may happen to have.
I agree, it would be a mistake to rethread original nuts. I should have mentioned that in my post ;o( I bought my brass knurled nuts at the local hardware for about $0.50 each. Those are the ones I rethreaded. I think the Autolite and Motorcraft plugs have a metric thread (been a while, so I'm not positive).
For the purists out there, the knurling pattern is different than the original Ford supplied nuts but hard to see the difference from a few feet away.
(Message edited by schuh on May 14, 2015)
I purchased a set of "new" Champion X plugs from T-bay last year. In looking at the new plug shown above I pulled mine out because I didn't think that the print looked the same. The new ones of mine have a similar print to the older X plugs but there are hash marks and the words "Made in the USA" stamped around the bottom. It makes me wonder why that would have changed. Are the new Champion X's still made in the USA?
I don't know where the current plugs are made, but they are different from the originals in two obvious ways. One is the smaller print. You can compare that with original plugs at this link. The other difference is that the new ones have one very narrow copper washer inside, while the original washers were more elaborate.
By the way, I stopped at the local O'Reilly store yesterday and asked about the X plugs. It's true they no longer carry those, or anything else before 1940 according to their website. Rock Auto does still carry the plugs, and has the best price I've found.
Napa has them listed for $21.49 each.
I just tried to order a set of these plugs from NAPA only to be told they couldn't ship them as they contained some toxic material that would not allow shipping!!! They offered local pickup only but I have no NAPA store in my area.
Rock Auto must have a different version of the Champion X plug, they were able to ship them to my door and the difference in price was only about $10.00 for the set.
The "toxic material" story sounds like an urban legend to me. The last time I was in California I was told at two different paint stores that they couldn't sell lacquer thinner because it was no longer legal. So I went to Home Depot and found a shelf full of quarts and gallons of the stuff, and bought it there. I seriously doubt that there are two versions of the plug, with one of them containing some dangerous substance. That sounds just too preposterous for me to accept it without some proof.
I hope my Ward's plugs last a good long time, I am no fan of Champion plugs no matter the age anyway.
The Home Depot/Hardware Store "Lacquer Thinner" isn't the same stuff as the Automotive "Lacquer Thinner." The Automotive stuff is a lot "stronger". Don't know about the illegal part, except that the gov't. is trying to push the "backyard painter" types out of the system. Last I checked Lacquer Primer/Surfacer was still sold here.
Update: Just bought 4 Champion X plugs from NAPA for $21.99 each and $3 for shipping from Indianapolis direct from Champion. Picked 'em up today and they look great!
So, they are definitely still available!
I bought a new set of Champion X spark plugs last spring. Ran them for a couple of months. Now I am back to running my old set of Gambles Varcon spark plugs. To be honest, they run better than the new X plugs. I think I will just leave them in the car until I can run across a set of original X plugs in good shape.
Has anyone found a source for the copper gaskets?
I tried to go through the aircraft supply on Steve's site, but hit a dead end?!?!?
Chuck, I just checked the link and it's good. The online store is closed until Sunday morning, so I couldn't look up the washers. Try again later.
Might have to get some swapmeet plugs posted over one day...
FYI old stuff - 1/2 inch pipe fitting spark plugs
New Champion X or 25
Champion Alternative 31 or 34 or A25
KLG G20 or G5
Also Edison #13 and Edison #14
How about Splitdorf and Montgomery ward?
In one of our T's we have Firestone's Polonium
The lowest local quote I got was sixty six bucks a piece for new Champions, but I couldn't get an answer on whether or not that was a four pack. Is that how they're sold by Champion or will they sell them one at a time?
Through Napa- one at a time for $21.99.
They're sold singly, and $66 is outrageous. The Model T parts dealers sell them for less than half that, and good used ones turn up on eBay for considerably less than the new ones.
The Lion TF is for T Fords: