I am amazed at the collective knowlege that is available, for free on this forum. It always amazes me when someone posts an old grainy photo of a Model T, and someone can come up with the hour and day it was built, then someone else will chime in with "that rear tire is 2# under inflated", and so on. So when I came upon this post by Steve Jelf, I burst out in a fit of hysterics, laughing until I cried, and couldn't catch my breath.My two Labs were sitting here looking at me as if I had taken leave of my senses. Here is the post.

"Every Day on the Model T Forum:
Old White Guy 1: Here's a picture of my grandfather with his 1917 T. [old pic]
Old White Guy 2: Not a '17. Certainly at least an early '18.
Old White Guy 3: '22 at the earliest. Look at the fenders. Obvious '22-'24.
Old White Guy 4: [indiscernible, punctuationless, and borderline unrelated garbling in all caps, usually beginning with "I REMEMBER"]
Old White Guy 5: It's a 1919 roadster huckleberry hatchback with bananawings and sting-column steering. Electric start was probably installed in this model due to the tiny flibbinflabbin' gearshaft mechanistic balloon widget attached to the right mirror. Ford himself was reluctant to install these, but, as he was busy coating himself in butter and forcing Great Danes to lick it off of his naked body at this time (May 5-17, 1919), these models released during this time came with them. They were purported to improve the gas-to-air ratio by approximately 0.5 widgets per square cubimeter.
Me: Cool car"

I never knew being an "old white guy" was a pejorative till about 7 years ago.

I have to credit HT Ellis as the author of that little piece.

While I suppose old white guy is a pejorative in some contexts, I think generally it's just a demographic description. The observation that it applies widely in the Model T hobby is pretty much on the mark.

I'm old and white and a White. Here's a picture of my grand father's Model T (with my dad). So what is the year?

Plate is Michigan 1917.

Can't tell you much about the T but it looks as if the axe needs sharpening and the kids want's to go to the bathroom - I mean outhouse

Yea,as I was inline at the local bojangles Wednesday and they ask what to drink I said, "cheapest". The gal looked at me with squinted eyes and said," You 50 yet,you look it!" I said No, she said " Darn".Well the manager heard all this and scolded her for that. She said, " I was just saying Dang because I couldn't give him the vip drink!"
Yea right, I just look high mileage that's all!

My guess would be 1913 and a neat set of shocks?? Bud just a little north.

I'm thinking '14 due to the presence of the bills on the front fenders.

Billed fenders and smooth font E&J lamps are typical of very late 1914s and used into early 1915.

I'd have to say 18 months to two years. When was your Dad born? (the White on the Ford?) DOB + age = year.

I agree with Tim that it's a '14. And I agree with John about the kid's age, so he must be a '15 model.

Based on the side lamps E&J model 32 with the round oil font I'd agree mid to late 14. Looks like they lived on a rough road because one of the fonts is missing so I guess that happen in the daytime. Couldn't have been at night they would have notice the light going out and would have stopped to find it unless of course it was raining really hard that night for obvious reasons. Rough road filled with potholes full of water, very hard to find in those conditions

I think the right tire is a little low, probably only at 50#. . . .

I believe the rain story may be correct because of the windshield, also noticed that the picture was taken in the front of the house and barn, nice barn with a hayloft. The house looked like a traditional farm house, side to side porch two windows on each side of the door and nice stair case in the middle of the porch.

If the car is a '14 and the kid is a '15, I suppose that makes the car a touring. Because, you know, back seat.

Note on picture "Henry age 2 yrs."

And this old white guy says those shock absorbers are not safe at speeds over 20 mph. (I am serious, if you have them, don't use that type)

Late 1914.

If you zoom in on the windshield you can see the reflection of the barn and house in the upper section of the windshield

If you zoom in on the windshield you can see the reflection of the barn and house in the upper section of the windshield