Can anybody identify these lights?
one more pic
13-14 T models. The model no 66 is offset because the chimney is exactly the same as the all brass lamps used in 1912. These were model 666. They simply deleted one of the 6s when the lamps were changed to steel bodies.
Hope this helps.
Allan from down under.
Thanks Allan. Rough value?
Their is nothing to identify! It's clearly marked on the top of the lamp.
Any ideas of value of these?
I have a pair of those with original paint on the body, which is also brass.
I take it nobody wants to say what they might be roughly worth?
Put them on eBay and find out. I would want to know if both reflectors are good before bidding on them.
They are a proper pair of lamps. You often see people restore E&J lamps with hinges opposite each other. Originally these model 66, 656, and 666 lamps only had the hinges on one side, as yours are.
These lamps were used on multiple males of cars. Yours probably came on a non - Ford originally since the bonnets are not stamped with Ford script.
I have sold similar lamps on eBay for $750 - $1000 a pair without any of the burners or gas fittings. There are many varieties of this lamp, as it was used on Model T's for two model years and on all sorts of other brands too. Subtle differences in bonnets, rims, gas fittings, you name it, E&J changed it over time. Your nicely matched pair might spur a bidding war if you are lucky.
Royce, thanks for that it was very helpful.
reflectors - one very good the other isn't.
Looking at the pictures again it appears they do have Ford script - sorry I didn't see that earlier.
Royce does that effect the value by much?
Yes, they are probably easier to sell with the Ford script. Particularly in your position on the earth they should be an attractive pair of lamps to the right person.
The '13/'14 T lamps are actually a tough one. It would be interesting if Royce and a few others that that do know them could get together and compare notes to begin a good study of them.
There were so many minor variations, and how many different manufacturers?? (4?) Most of the main bodies were steel, painted black. But some were brass, painted black. I have seen and heard evidence that some early ones were left brass. I have Victor lamps on my '13. I had Victor lamps on the '14 pickup I used to have. When I was working on it many years ago, I looked at headlamps at swap meets quite a lot. I once saw four nice Victor headlamps on a table. No two alike. The rims were different, one had a slightly different bonnet, and the curve at the back of the body was different (at least three significant variations). When I was putting together my '13, I got what looks like a matching pair.
I'll continue later. Another interruption.
(Lamps were now steel, painted black, with brass tops and rims.)
E & J 666, 66 or 656
E & J 66
Mark - what about the Victor number 1 headlamps for early '13 only? Steel body with steel bonnets