1914? Front Fender Questions

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ockert van der Berg on Wednesday, June 03, 2015 - 05:49 am:

Hi all I am back in South Africa after my 4 year stay in Switzerland and me and my friends are starting the build on our 1913/14 T's.

We have found a piece of what looks to be a original front 1914 fender. But this fender raise some questions. There is a "lip" on the outer edge of the fender of 0.35". We have not seen this before and would like to know if there is any other fenders out there with the same feature? Maybe some special body builder for Canadian cars as we were supplied Ts from Canada.

The fender also have the headlight fork and a Electrical headlight bucket still on the remains that possibly suggest electrical lights on a 1914 car? (if not fitted later)

I have attached some pictures for you guys.

Bottom view
Top view1
Lip size
Bead sie
Top view 2

Many thanks
Ockert


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marvin C. Miller on Wednesday, June 03, 2015 - 05:59 am:

The fender looks like it could be 13 to early 14. The later 14 fenders had an eyebrow or lowered front lip. The headlight yoke looks to be for a carbide headlight. Possibly some later model headlight was customized.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Wednesday, June 03, 2015 - 07:42 am:

That part of the fender is not sufficient by itself to tell if it was for 1913 or 1914. Fenders like that in that area where used from the end of 1912 model year (summer of 1912) through the beginning of 1915 model year (summer of 1914).

It is a common misperception that Marvin cites regarding the fender "bills" added at the beginning of 1915 model year because the rest of the car body style did not change then. According to Ford letters to dealers found in the Benson Ford Archives dated JUNE 11, 1914:

Acc. 575, Ford Archives
T2654 front fender “peak” specified. A new design, this may have been the front lip (or bill) which appeared in 1914 before the 1915 models. (The 1913 and early 1914 fenders had no bill.)
Numerous changes were made in the front fenders and splash aprons at this time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ockert van der Berg on Wednesday, June 03, 2015 - 08:28 am:

Thanks

My question is not about the front "Bill" or the year so much, more about the little "lip" bent portion on the flat piece on the edge of the fender next to the bead. All fenders that I have seen is flat between the bead and the edge of the fender but this fender has this raised edge if I can call it that.


Thanks
Ockert


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Wednesday, June 03, 2015 - 09:08 am:

It may be aftermarket. I have never seen an original '14 fender with that bead, and I did a ton of research while restoring my own '14.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Wednesday, June 03, 2015 - 09:09 am:

Also, the radius of the front end doesn't look quite right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Eyre on Wednesday, June 03, 2015 - 09:33 am:

The extra bead is a Canadian feature. I have always been told by my friends to the North that it ended sometime in 14.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Wednesday, June 03, 2015 - 10:47 am:

Interesting. What about the slightly different radius?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 05:55 am:

R.V.
The radius is like that on my 1912 van. My fenders are an exact replica of originals as supplied on a Canadian tourer.

The headlight fork is the same as a gaslight fork. The fork type headlamps are usually associated with 1915 models. I do not know when they were introduced, but they seem to be more prolific on our Canadian cars than on US cars.

Hope this helps.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 07:53 am:

We had an early 1913 Canadian T Touring around here one time (serial no. was C8XX). I believe it had a bead like that.
Verne Shirk
Wichita, Kansas


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ockert van der Berg on Monday, June 08, 2015 - 05:54 am:

Thanks for the replies.

Is it known if all the Canadian cars up to 1913 had this "edge" or was it only on some?

Many thanks
Ockert


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Kramer,Woodstock,Ontario,Canada on Monday, June 08, 2015 - 06:26 am:

My 1913 Canadian touring has the 2 beads around the fenders.I have seen it on 1914's also.


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