O.T. I thought Califunny was bad til the Jacksonville city council proposed this!

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 09:10 am:

If you back into your driveway you could be fined $50.00
http://www.news4jax.com/news/council-considers-ban-on-backing-into-driveways/337 54740
The socialist are everywhere


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Melbourne Florida on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 09:32 am:

I think it would be a bit hard to pass this into law, This law would affect a land owners civil rights to do as they please with there own property. Something like this could open up a Pandora's box in lawsuits against the city.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les VonNordheim on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 09:42 am:

G.R.- Get a cage and send them back to Califunny! I'm sorry to say, Gov. Brown would give them a gold medal.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 09:43 am:

That is about as dumb as a sack of rocks. Why cant people just mind their own business? If the folks pay property taxes on time each year,they should be left alone unless their actions are hurting someone.
Car covers should be encouraged if there is some poor soul offended by a car without a tag on it in the neighborhood.
Besides,alot of "abandoned" cars are still having taxes paid on them. Revenue for the city.
We have a car here that has been parked for a long time. Needs a valve job or possible engine overhaul and now obviously some other work due to sitting.It is in a open pole shed. But when the time comes I can afford to spend money on it, I should have that option as it will put revenues in the state and county's pockets when i buy tags and insurance and fuel and pay higher taxes on it because it would be assessed at a higher value than it is now parked.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eckensviller - Thunder Bay, ON on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 09:47 am:

I get the feeling Jacksonville is full of either abandoned projects or nutty, nosy neighbours.

A few years ago they passed a law because someone (or some people) had half-finished homebuilt airplanes in their back yard behind a tall privacy fence. If memory serves, no citizen of Jacksonville is now allowed to construct any sort of flying machine at home, right down to a ban on kids building kites if you're a letter-of-the-law type person.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill in Adelaida Calif on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 10:09 am:

Thats as bright as the IL subdivision that banned pickups in its CCR's. One homeowner parked his pickup in the garage. Nope He lost in court. STUPID


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 10:26 am:

What does anyone expect ? We breed and educate "our children" these days to
aspire to a Disneyland life ... can ayone here say "American Idol" ?

Let's see a show of hands, kids .... who wants to be Taylor Swift ? .... or LeBron
James ? Yeah.

There is no place for organic, "real" life in that scenario. We must have codes and
rules and fees and fines to keep the riffraff out of our neighborhoods ! Old cars have
no place in the parking lots of Microsoft .... unless, of course, the fine folks at Barrett-
Jackson tell you it is a "worthy" and highly valuable collectible old car. But one better
have plenty of Audis and Escalades parked in front of it to let the world know this is
your toy and not considered a serious car.

Prolly not talking directly to many in the T crowd on this one, but I am sure we all
know and see this going on all around us. The McMansion subdivisions, the "just so"
cookie cutter manicured yards, the lake house, the gym membership, the plastic
children .... yeah, ... remember when kids used to go play in the barn or the woods ?

Don't get me started. This ain't my Grandparents' America anymore.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 10:40 am:

Here in Califunny I got a notice on my (at the time, new) Toyota Tacoma while visiting a friend in a development. It said that if my pickup was seen in the development again, it would be towed. NO pickups allowed in there!
The idiots have taken over.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 10:45 am:

I shouldn't mention this, but I would not own a Japanese car. Look what they did to use in WWII!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 11:07 am:

Now fellas, don't be so negative.

I think one of us should write to the Jacksonville council and point out that to be consistent they need to outlaw garage doors too. After all, with the door shut you can't see the plate, and surely someone would file suit over this inequity in the law.

After all, if we're gonna control everything we must be fair. We are allowed as a society to be STUPID as long as we're fair.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eckensviller - Thunder Bay, ON on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 11:26 am:

Does anyone else ALWAYS back in? I figure it's safer that way to have a good picture of the area before backing up (ie. you just drove there). Then when I go to leave if the road is busy I'm better set up to just scoot out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 11:28 am:

There is a technical flaw in the councils idea. I'm not familiar with Florida laws, but even here in Calfunny vehicle registration is a matter for the state. When a vehicle is parked on my driveway it's not required to have a current tag. Of course you need to deal with the DMV if your tag lapses, if you fail to pay "non-op fees", and so on, but there's no citable violation by virtue of the fact that an unregistered vehicle or a vehicle with expired tags is on my driveway. If I park it on the street, then I can be cited.

Where I live the city has ordinances to prevent car owners from parking a car on the street or in the driveway forward of the building setback line for over 3 days. This is, IMHO, a more appropriate way to manage unsightly vehicle problems. After 3 days they can cite the vehicle and if it's not moved within 24 hours they can tow it away. Even if it's in plain view, as long as it's behind the setback line they can't touch it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 12:23 pm:

Florida is correct, quit complaining. They do not have front license plates in Florida. So they want you to drive in front first so they can see the plate on the back of your car as they drive by. They want to remove the blight of junk cars parked in driveways. They don't like cars up on blocks on the lawns or in driveways so they make a blanket law that offends everyone. They do have an out, simply print the license number on a piece of paper and put it in the windshield. If you have a junk car on the driveway simply write a number, any number, and they won't bother you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Hood -Long Beach, California on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 12:36 pm:

While most of us car guys probably use our garages for storage and vehicle work / restoration, codes usually state that garages are for vehicle parking and you can not block access to the garage door. This is why boats, motorhomes, and trailers, are often cited for parking in driveways and why an unlicensed car will be cited. Licensed cars in driveways are considered temporarily parked and not blocking access to the door. This is also why you can be cited for working on a car in the driveway. A disabled car is blocking access, an unlicensed car is being stored, cannot be moved onto the street, and thus is also blocking access.

That explains how you can be cited. It doesn't explain the hair-brained idea that they won't let you back in since they should be able to run the license number by reading the front plate to see if it is registered, unless they don't have front plates in Florida.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 12:40 pm:

Henry, here in Hayward you can not park a car on the grass on your yard. Is it that way in Modesto?
I got a ticket in the mail once for having one car parked beside the one in the driveway.
A lot of houses here have gravel beside their driveway to legally park on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells, Hamilton Ontario on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 01:09 pm:

Looks like those of you in Jacksonville are going to have to install trailer hitches on the front of your trucks so you can get your trailers out. Then you will have to drop the trailer and rehook it to the rear. Did council ever consider that people can't afford to licence their cars because of high property taxes that are used to pay their sunshine list salaries?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Penserini - Sacramento Calif on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 01:36 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 02:23 pm:

Aaron,
Yup, you can be cited here in sunny Modesto for parking on grass or dirt in your yard. I haven't checked about gravel, but I would imagine that's OK.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 02:56 pm:

No front license plates here in florida but I always back in with my van because it only has the windshield and front door windows it is called a windowless van because there are no windows in the cargo area. That would be a real bear backing it out on the street the way the neighbors let their hedges grow wild, so when I go somewhere can I have the cops operating the speed trap across the street block traffic for me?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 03:14 pm:

Couple things ....

As a former law enforcement officer, and semi-still-in-touch-with-the-scene guy,
last I heard, anyone trying to become (or remain) a cop will have to run 1.5 miles in
under 14 minutes and jump "X" amount high to meet standards.

Now, maybe it's just my investigative training that sets me "SO FAR" above average
for noticing the obvious, but I would read the above to indicate that anyone passing
such rigorous testing likely has BOTH legs and maintains them in working condition.
As such, ... and I am going out on a limb here, they would be able to get out of their
patrol car, walk around any such backed-in vehicle, and get a read on that suspected
delinquent plate !

Anyone NOT back-in parked (we call it "combat parking") in a USMC controlled area
was going to rapidly catch the wrath of the Gunny if he spied a vehicle nosed in to a
parking space. There was a reason for this. Combat parking enabled quick deployment
from a parking situation with minimal safety risk. Even today, all my vehicles are backed
in unless they are purposely nosed in for work in the shop.

As usual, our brain trust gov't. entities take the slacker approach to dealing with a
problem, rather than openly confront the actual offenders. In so many ways I miss the
"ol' Gunny" and the in-your-face approach of direct coms so enthusiastically promoted
by the Marine Corps. It not only made sense, the "problem" was usually "solved" and
the problem STAYED "solved" ! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 03:49 pm:

Buy them a rope and show them a tree. Problem solved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul G in Illinois on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 04:01 pm:

You still have grass in California ?! I thought that had been outlawed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pat Clark-Deer Lodge, Tn on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 08:37 pm:

Boy! We can do anything we want here!
I even think broken windshield is a required, muffler & tail lights optional. If you loose you license, just get a quad instead.

Pat


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 10:38 pm:

Obviously you can't park your car in your garage and close the door, because that would hide the tag. Idiots.


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