As I understand it, there are two types of linkage for AC Brakes.
1. Independent rods which must be individually adjusted. This type is manufactured by a fellow near Sacramento, CA and appear to be well designed and sturdy.
2. Homemade designed/built consisting of an equalizer similar to Rocky Mountain Brake.
Any opinions pro or con?
No there are two types; cable activated as original using a single pulley for equalization and the rod types that can be hooked up to a bar type center pull equalizer mounted on the torque tube.
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I personal DO NOT RECOMMEND the current equalizer as sold in the catalogs.
I have made a couple and installed one similar to what Jack showed in his posting;
I simplified mine by using just a flat plate to mount the brake rod clevises to instead of the round rod, welded plate and levers. It saves a number of steps and less material is needed. It's working very well on the car it being tested on.
PS OT, After driving a car with Rockey MTN brakes that barely stops and holds a car in reverse (too be fair they do stop great going forward) on a slope that's about 2 1/2 foot in 10 drop I do not recommend them ether. My worn out AC's stop my car Johnny quick on the same slope in reverse.
I used the brake equalizer Snyder's sells I'm very happy with the results, but it takes a lot of trial & error to set them up properly but the time is worth the effort they work great.
I rigged up a cable and flat pulley, buying all the parts, or most of them, at TSC. Biggest challenge I had was getting the connection to the brake pedal right. I welded a tab on and put a clevis to that.
How my boat-tail is set up.
I like two fully independent braking systems.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
The set up made by and sold by Richard Baughman in Loomis Cal are great and are expertly built. Very easy to install and do not require any holes to be drilled. Very easy to install.
Re; "The set up made by and sold by Richard Baughman in Loomis Cal"
Which setup is that?
I have been meaning to say something about the AC brake linkage made by Richard Baughman for a few weeks but have been a bit busy. I got the pedal and brakes from Larry Skidmore for my small drum 1919 hack.
I have two things to say:
1. The linkage is well designed and rugged. It was easy to install in spite of the hack being different from most T's.
2. Richard is a gentleman and pleasure to deal with. He spent a lot of time answering and asking questions before I bought the linkage to make sure I got the right one and when we had a slight problem with the quality of one weld he responded immediately and sent another shaft. He even sent me the money it cost for me to ship the offending part back to him.
Good quality-- fair price and fantastic customer service-- I can't ask for much more.
Richard - thank you
Ditto on Fred's comments about Richard Baughman and his installation kit.
He shipped me the kit before I even paid him.
Great guy and a well built product.
Does he have a web site? The above testimonials are great but what is the kit? Does Larry sell it or do you buy from him? Any photos? If his ad is in the Vintage Ford, not everyone here get's it. Price? I don't need it for my AC's but would like to be able to send business his way if someone else does.
Does anybody have contact information for Richard?
Richard Baughman's email is firstname.lastname@example.org. I lost his phone #.
Larry Sidmore only sells the drums and modified pedal.
Here is an older post with some info on contacts and the linkage.
I know very little about AC brakes, but the linkage posted above doesn't look like anything I've ever seen. I've had some AC parts over the years, and as I recall they are cable operated just like Rocky Mountain brakes are supposed to be.
I built these AC brakes into my 1917 Roadster and they worked very well- the system made by Rich Baughman is great and he is a truly honorable fellow.
I just talked with a friend who has a set of ORIGINAL A.C. brakes, and they are indeed cable operated.
That is what is offered as AC linkage. Nobody ever claimed they were exact reproductions, just that they work.
I am familiar with the great linkage that Rich Baughman makes. I wanted to take a set of AC Brakes to one of the guys in Argentina (they are desperate for EVERYTHING down there) so Rich was kind enough to cut the rods in half and re-thread both ends and furnish a 1 1/2' long nut so the whole assembly would fit in my luggage. Don't ask about the Argentina Customs declaration.
I am interested in an opinion about the pulley equalizer system versus the individual (Rich's) rod system.
Does anyone have a picture of the cable & pulley assembly mentioned above?
Here is original adv. on AC Brakes with cable pulley action provided back in the day.
This version of AC for the big drum Improved Car, '26-'27
Disadvantage with cable hook up is the cable can go slack, and a tension spring is very helpful, otherwise the cable will be limp like a clothes line.
The modern linkage set made with the pillow block cross shaft and solid rod linkage won't get out of tune as easy.
Solid brake rods are better than cables.
I prefer solid rods and non-equalizing braking systems on model Ts. It only took one friend with a fully equalizing system to break a clevis resulting in "no-wheel" brakes (fortunately, nothing collided with). I have always found it easy to adjust brakes so that both wheels work well together, and readjustment never seems to be required often.
If a piece breaks? Better to wind up with braking on one wheel than no wheel.
Just my 3 1/2 cents worth.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
OK It is time for me to come clean --
I have nightmares about brakes not working.
I believe that it is because I stuffed a 1941 Ford coupe in the woods when the brakes failed.
I was a teen and going at an "excessive speed" on a dirt road near our summer cottage in Plymouth Ma.
I was not hurt and the car was only slightly damaged but it took me about 4 hours to get the small trees out of the way so I could get the car back to the road.
All the time I was concerned that my parents would come by and see me.
MY T has always had a good transmission brake but a few months ago it needed significantly more pedal pressure to slow the vehicle - even after repeated adjustments.
So when I switched the motor I used Kevlar bands and added Larry's AC brakes.
I considered many linkage options but decided that Rich's system with solid rods made the most sense.
The solid rods are very much like the mechanical brakes on my Model A and the bell crank is strong enough to move a house.
I especially like the fact that you do not have to drill holes in the frame.
As I mentioned earlier - an added feature is Rich's willingness to make sure you get what you need and his customer service.
You might find cheaper alternatives but it will be hard for you to get better quality.
Take a look at the 1926-7 parts that Dan posted. Does it make you wonder where the patterns for the new style Rocky Mountains came from??????
I believe Dan McEachern either makes the correct pedal clamp for the AC's, or did at one time.
I would have to go look but I am pretty sure the set of repo 26-27 RM's I have sitting in the shop say AC on the main casting.
Has anybody used the AC linkage with rockys so that the handbrake can remain independent?