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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George n Los Angeles CA on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 06:46 pm:

Found this on FaceBook



http://www.portagedailygraphic.com/2015/07/27/man-sent-to-hospital-after-threshe rmens-reunion


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 07:04 pm:

This is the type of accident that scares me the most, getting run over from behind. Almost happened to me last year driving the T southbound in the RH lane on the new part of MO Highway 21. Someone in a minivan texting on their cellphone looked up just in time to swerve into the passing lane and avoid me. I should have pulled to the shoulder as soon as I saw in my rear view mirror that their closing rate was higher than normal. :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chad Marchees _____Tax Capital, NY on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 07:07 pm:

Sounds like another case of our too fast moving society not paying attention as usual. Hopefully the injured will be ok.

When I was taught to drive--which wasn't that long ago compared to some of you, I was taught first and foremost, expect the unexpected.

It also mentions driving on a highway. Most T's out there are barely able to go minimum highway speeds--around here that is usually 45-50 mph. So is this a case of two wrongs don't make a right?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 07:12 pm:

I have to admit I'm conflicted about driving a T on state and local highways. On the one hand, they usually have a passing lane and a full shoulder, so there should be plenty of room for folks to pass and for the T to escape.

On the other hand, the speed differential between the T and other traffic is high, reducing the reaction time if someone isn't watching and closes rapidly on the T from behind. No amount of orange signs, flashing lights, or whatever will help if the closing driver's head is down looking at their cell phone.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 08:38 pm:

Slow drivers and fast drivers and distracted drivers have been around forever, it's nothing new. That same truck could have been barreling along making up time and plowed into the back of an SUV full of kids.
I am the glad the T driver will soon be on the mend.
We just did a tour that included mostly a state highway. Some of it two some four lane. WE kept spread out giving anyone that wanted to pass if it was clear room and also pulling over to let traffic get by when we could. Of course this tour didn't have the doodlers like some of ours do, that helped.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 09:17 pm:

Not about a T but it applies this discussion.

Try doing the 65 MPH speed limit on Rt 495 in Mass and you will soon learn that it is unsafe. Idiots pass you on the right, cut you off, and even give you the salute saying that you are #1.

Same thing on Rt 33 in NH where the speed drops from 45 to 35 mph. They think 45 means 55 and 35 is just a suggestion. Add a model T at 30 MPH and the idiots go completely nuts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter B. Ratledge on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 09:51 pm:

I have a triangular caution sign with flashing
lights on the back of our1911 T. It works very well.
We were on a tour in Maine last year. We were
heading back to the Motel and we took a wrong turn. We ended up on RT 95 during the going home traffic.
A semi driver got behind us and put his flashers
on. We went for 1 exit and got off. He blew his horn and went on.
Dan Treace from Fl. gave me the idea for the sign
Pete Ratledge


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 10:07 pm:

Most model Ts I have ever driven much would do 45 or more practically all day. And that is about how fast I usually drive them.
Around here, almost every day as I am driving a modern vehicle, I come up behind other people driving their modern car ON THE FREEWAY at about 45 mph. I AM EXPECTED to not hit them. The law REQUIRES me to not hit them. I figure that if they are allowed to drive on the road, I have the right to drive my T on those same roads at about the same speeds as they do.
I watch very closely behind me when I drive my T. Beyond that, I really don't need to hear much more about it. If I am to be "expected" to not hit other slow vehicles? Then everyone else needs to be expected to not hit me if I am the slow vehicle.
I do appreciate all of these threads keeping us all informed about such "accidents" because we all (even me) do need to be reminded to pay attention and be proactive about our safety.
Hence the sign-off I have used off and on for years.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freighter Jim on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 10:37 pm:

Wayne,


Well said ...



Freighter Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 10:52 pm:

Yup, well said. I agree too.

Just recently I am starting to see a lot of guys doing 100 MPH+ in our 65 zones (Bay Area is 65 Max).
They have to change lanes a lot to do it.
You can look in your mirrors and not see them, but just as you change lanes... there they are, right behind you, doing a 100.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 11:40 pm:

Let's put this in perspective .... a speeding vehicle (exceeding speed limit and thusly breaking speed law)
will cause much peril, mayhem, and death if an unsuspecting public just happens to "get in the way".

How is this any different than firing a firearm into an area frequented by the public ?

So, let's walk this back a couple more steps .... Willful intent vs. willful disregard.

Does it make a damned bit of difference if your kid, wife, dog, or best friend gets killed by another person
because that other person operating a dangerous tool/machine with the purposeful intent of hurting others,
OR they act with wanton disregard for the safety of others in a manner THEY KNOW is highly dangerous, such
as shooting a gun into a crowd, driving like an idiot, drunk driving, texting while driving, on the phone while
driving, or say .... setting a bomb off at the finish line at the Boston Marathon ?

Those who place the innocent in peril need to enjoy the full weight of their actions, whether they hurt/kill
someone or are just acting in a way that can/will produce such results should anyone just happen to "get
in their way".

And thusly, what is an ethically responsible response to someone who threatens to kill us or others ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 11:42 pm:

Have any of you seen this ad ?

http://www.reshareworthy.com/close-to-home-distracted-driving-campaign/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 12:09 am:

C'mon guys you know the difference between getting hit in a T doing 40 on a major highway and having the same thing happen in a modern is life and death. The car is not equipped to operate at highway speeds and the safety factor is near zero at almost any speed. A car doing 40 being hit at 65 is a 25 MPH crash. Which would you rather be in? One guess because there's only one possible answer to which occupants will probably walk away and which will be wearing mahagony kimmonas. Another thing: a club sets up a trip that involves a highway and no one questions it? That's plain crazy. Can't get there any other way? Choose another destination. Insane. Deep down I believe you all know this. Ignore it at your own peril.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freighter Jim on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 12:51 am:

Burger,

If you want to drive your Model T in rush hour traffic in Spokane - go right ahead ...

No one one is stopping you - that is your right.


Freighter Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 01:04 am:

Yesterday I was driving (modern car) to Sacramento. Just outside of Marysville there is a bridge, now Maryswille is 25mph, and the bridge is supposed to be 45mph (not sure why, it's freeway), and after the bridge goes to 65. There's an off/on ramp right there. I'm in the fast lane, doing 66, and I see this guy in the rear view moving to the slow lane to pass me, while there is a pickup coming up the on ramp, speeding up to traffic speed. I see the guy in the car come up behind the pickup, and I see blue smoke as he slams on the brakes. Now that no one is pulling onto the road, I pull over to the slow lane, and a few minutes later the same guy is speeding past me, about 15mph over the speed limit--didn't learn!!
No Model Ts involved, just modern stuff. It's dangerous out there, and yes, the T doesn't have any of the modern stuff to protect us, but OTOH, my modern pickup doesn't have anything to protect me from a rear hit than it's mass.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 01:04 am:

Yesterday I was driving (modern car) to Sacramento. Just outside of Marysville there is a bridge, now Marysville is 25mph, and the bridge is supposed to be 45mph (not sure why, it's freeway), and after the bridge goes to 65. There's an off/on ramp right there. I'm in the fast lane, doing 66, and I see this guy in the rear view moving to the slow lane to pass me, while there is a pickup coming up the on ramp, speeding up to traffic speed. I see the guy in the car come up behind the pickup, and I see blue smoke as he slams on the brakes. Now that no one is pulling onto the road, I pull over to the slow lane, and a few minutes later the same guy is speeding past me, about 15mph over the speed limit--didn't learn!!
No Model Ts involved, just modern stuff. It's dangerous out there, and yes, the T doesn't have any of the modern stuff to protect us, but OTOH, my modern pickup doesn't have anything to protect me from a rear hit than it's mass.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 01:18 am:

oops. looks like I stuttered. Hmmm. . . .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freighter Jim on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 01:26 am:

Every day I am on the road towing an enclosed trailer usually loaded at 10K & my truck is right under 10K.

10 tons rolling down the road ...

I drive at 55 mp.h.

I find that is an ideal speed that leaves me by myself - everything seems to happen in front or behind me.

I have witnessed a lot of accidents over the years.


Freighter Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Weeds on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 02:18 am:

I travel 130 miles every day for work (not in my T)leaving at 4.30am and getting home in daylight. I thought of this potential in Feb when I brought my first model T and I purchased a battery powered push bike red led flashing clip on light that is really noticeable. I have also considered buying a larger magnetic orange/yellow flashing light to fit if i get caught in heavy traffic. They are not too expensive and are common on the road with slow trucks, loaders, mowers & tractors etc often using them. I live in a dry farming area with huge properties and farmers have to travel long distances to feed out and often use the road. Its mid winter here and I come across a few tractors every morning. I can see them miles before I get close and it seems to prepares me in advance. I have thought of just flicking the light on when traffic is close. Peters B's triangle sounds a great idea also. I feel for this guy and hope he recovers fully plus still feels confident enough to drive a T again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freighter Jim on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 02:26 am:

Kevin,

The triangle is reserved for farm vehicles & equipment traveling under certain speeds - 25 to 35 m.p.h.

I had a pair on the rear of another enclosed trailer - got a $185 ticket & an education.


Freighter Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 03:31 am:


This is approximately where the wreck happened. The Trans-Canada Highway is a four lane divided road here. The truck guy could easily have passed if he hadn't been asleep or otherwise preoccupied. He has no excuse. But there are also frontage roads and parallel local roads here. The T guy should have been using one of them. Having the law on your side doesn't keep you alive, but staying out of harm's way might.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 03:47 am:

Not one of you has asked if the car was ok.

In NZ you can stick flashing lights on a car, Don't know if it's legal but you can do it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brendan Hoban on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 06:13 am:

In Australia, using your mobile (cell) phone while driving, the fine is $400 and three demerit points (12 is the maximum in any three year period)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 06:55 am:

Why isn't anyone asking the authorities to ENFORCE THE LAWS? If a speed limit is established at 65 then it should be enforced. If they fail to enforce the laws then they are guilty of being an accomplice to breaking the law. It starts with the judge who lets them off to the officer who doesn't pull someone over.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter B. Ratledge on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 07:40 am:

Burger, That ATT ad was shocking!!! I can't believe that type of wreck in a residential area.They must have been Flying.
Jim,I will still keep my TRIANGLE with flashing lights. I drive 30-35 in my T. On tours, we try to start after the main pack have gone. I do not like to hold modern vehicles or other T's up. My car is stock and does not like hills. I keep looking in the mirror and checking what's behind me. If I'm
holding traffic up, I pull to the shoulder or if no shoulder I pull off and let them go. I have been on follow the leader tours. The T's are all bunched together with no room for the moderen cars to get by. There is always some person that will try to pass the whole pack in a no passing zone going around 80. That is why I like to travel by my self and respect the modern traffic.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn-Monroeville OH on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 08:18 am:

Dennis, I agree with you but lately I'm starting to wonder if it's going to get to the point where the police are just going to quit giving a damn, what with all the constant protesting for EVERYTHING they do anymore! Case in point as you no doubt know, the 14 y.o. DRUNK KID the RTA police very calmly escorted off the bus and tried to detain him. They were practically, no, they were, mobbed by angry protesters who no doubt think it's OK to be an underaged drunk and disorderly person. Not to mention that Chicago idiot adult lady who, and I quote, said "It's OK, he only shot a cop"...cripes what's going on in this society?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 09:48 am:

Freighter Jim ....

Perhaps I was unclear, .... My TT has a top speed of 20 mph. I would not
consider taking it on a highway, let alone a #@! freeway. But the issue of dipwick
drivers stares me in the face on pretty much ANY street when a guy has a top
speed of 20. Hell, every other car going down my 20mph residential street is
doing at least 50% over the limit ! And the place is crawling with kids ! WTF ?

My comment was more generalized to the concepts of personal responsibility
and ethical recourse.

I go out of my way to drive quiet backwater streets and roads ... that's where
I want to be driving as a matter of pleasure driving anyway. But this also crosses
my desire to drive something weird like a T with my responsibility to stay off the
main roads where the mindless drones go about their routines and as a matter of
course, do MY PART to keep the risk of our subject discussion to the minimum
that I have control over.

The problem is, these dipsh!ts WILL find YOU ! And it is becoming so rampant,
it is absurd. Call it PTSD, but I have no problem visualizing being hit from behind
by someone with a phone in their hand (by choice and blatant disregard for their
own responsibility as a motor vehicle operator, the safety of the public, AND the law)
and me dumping a magazine worth of rounds into their stupid skull as a matter of
neutralizing the threat, should I survive THEIR attempt to kill ME !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 10:05 am:

Life is to dangerous these days to drive a T on a highway where there may be semis and tractor trailers.

Yeah I know some may do this but not me. I love driving my T's but not to the point of risking my life thinking that every driver is watching what they are doing.

Call me lucky but I live where there are a lot of farm to market roads and space. I like it that way driving a car that dosn't have real brakes, and has a top speed of 45 mph which I don't drive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 10:55 am:

When I read about folks operating their Model T's at 45 mph all day long, I involuntarily gulp (though with all due respect). _Assuming a more or less stock car with clincher wheels, we're talking rear-wheel braking action only, and that on tires with the same footprint as a shotglass (and before the physics guys bring up the principle of the width of a tire being irrelevant to traction, I'll point out that this theoretical concept applies to an inflexible, hard wheel on a hard surface of the same hard material, as in the case of a steam locomotive's steel wheels on steel rails. _Soft rubber on rough-textured pavement is a completely different animal).

For a Model T, the stopping distance requirement from 35 mph is significantly greater than that of 30 mph. _Those measly five miles per hour make a world of difference—and a panic-stop from 45 mph is just not within the realm of possibility. _Though my Rocky Mountain brakes do a great job of slowing down the rear wheels, or even locking them up if that what I want to do, making long, skinny skid-marks doesn't help much.

At normal Model T cruising speeds, our maneuverability and braking ability are more like those of a motorboat than a modern car. _We can compensate with rigid vigilance and, as in the case of collector-car insurance companies, rely on the lowered odds of an incident taking place through decreased exposure—in other words, don't use your Model T every day to commute to work.

But, in spite of diligence, every now and then, lightning strikes and we read an article about a Model T getting shattered by a big truck and rolling over on its occupants—and brother, there's no walking away from that kind of accident. _Like private pilots, we accept the increased level of hazard and do our best to be conscientious about managing the risk. _Though the national statistics may be inflexible, the individual can influence the level of safety at which he or she habitually operates—and if you didn't happen to get into an accident on a given day, you were just as safe as if you were driving a Sherman tank with anti-lock brakes and air-bags. _Then again, there's tomorrow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freighter Jim on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 11:49 am:

Burger,

I related this story before & I will again ...

About (5) years ago I was rear ended doing 55 m.p.h. (legal speed limit)
while towing a triple axle custom built open trailer
just east of Barstow, CA.

The driver of the car was asleep at the wheel - a young mother
driving a rental car that her Mom had rented.

The drivers' Mom was in the front passenger seat -
the young daughter of the driver was in the back seat.

All were asleep.

The driver estimated she was traveling 80 mp.h. w/ the cruise control on.

Very long story short - I walked away.

All of them were taken in ambulances on back boards to the emergency room.

There are all types of inattentive drivers.

Things happen.

Rarely is criminal intent present.



Freighter Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Weeds on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 05:46 pm:

Its legal and encouraged to ride a push bike on our roads and open highways and surely they are slower and harder to see than a T. We have the odd wondering stock, controlled moving of stock, Asian tourists that just stop in the middle of the road to take photos, farm machinery, slow moving wide loads etc. This is all part of driving and its each drivers job to spot a hazard and expect the unexpected. I guess we are lucky we mostly only have one option of roads and we all have to share so we often have the odd reminder to stay alert where maybe you guys have roads set aside just for fast no obstacle travel.
Kep you can see in the link a photo of the t after the smash upside down in the grass.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry Giesbrecht on Friday, August 07, 2015 - 11:31 pm:

I thought I'd give an update on the condition of the driver of the 26 T . I live close to where this happened and have talked to his sister-in law. He has no broken bones , just major scrapes, he just had plastic surgery on his leg and his head is also quite banged up, but seems to be getting better. He also had heart surgery not long ago so they had to wait a bit for the swelling to go down


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Saturday, August 08, 2015 - 11:07 am:

Jerry,

Thank you for the update. I'm glad the driver of the T is doing better.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Saturday, August 08, 2015 - 12:04 pm:

Legal or not, it's staying there. (along with the yellow flasher on the left fender)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Saturday, August 08, 2015 - 01:40 pm:

When you think of the fact that a jury could not decide on death for the Col theater shooter what will they think of a bad driver who runs over you and your T?? I think Burger is right!! bud in Wheeler,Mi.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Fischer - Arroyo Grande, CA on Saturday, August 08, 2015 - 02:03 pm:

Last week wife and I made the 1800 mile round trip from our home in CA to Portland to see the new granddaughter. Most of the trip is on Hiway 5, giving one plenty of time observe what's going on around him.

The slow truckers going up the grades in northern CA and southern OR pretty much universally ran their caution flashers. I think it's an excellent precaution to keep from getting rear ended.

The question is, is whether running flashers on a non-farm vehicle is legal ? The trucks were running in the 25 - 45 MPH range, so if flashing red lights are not legal, why weren't the cops pulling them over ?

Seems to me that flashing red lights on the back of any slow moving vehicle make a great deal of common sense. Is it legal or isn't it ?

Dick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Saturday, August 08, 2015 - 02:39 pm:

Read THIS >>> http://forums.aaca.org/topic/260885-classic-car-hit-by-semi-michigan/ ...... :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freighter Jim on Saturday, August 08, 2015 - 05:29 pm:

Dick,

Interstate roads have a minimum speed limit.

Truckers can usually meet that unless going up a grade while loaded.

Older vehicles that are not capable of reaching the minimum speed as posted should not be on an interstate.

You can get a ticket for impeding traffic flow.

My new enclosed trailer has triple combination turn/clearance amber lights on each side above the fender wells.

By accident or design they are wired into the flashers and the brakes ....



Freighter Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Saturday, August 08, 2015 - 05:55 pm:

In the fall i help farmers with driving semi with a 6 axle trailer.A heavy load close to 120,000 it takes about a half mile to get up to speed and i always use flashers till i'm up to speed! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Fischer - Arroyo Grande, CA on Saturday, August 08, 2015 - 08:27 pm:

I agree with Jim and Bud. Flashers on slow moving vehicles are a good idea, especially on the rear. Also agree that "older vehicles not capable ..... should not be on the interstate".

But this afternoon I researched both the CA and OR vehicle codes and found no provision for flashing lights on slow moving vehicles. Everything I found was directed at disabled vehicles.

So my question still stands: What provision enables us, or even trucks on grades, to use flashers while driving on a road ? I'm all for the idea. Just don't want to get a ticket for doing it.

Dick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Mullin on Saturday, August 08, 2015 - 11:13 pm:

Dick, Most places it is illegal to drive with your four-way flashers on. That said, on the Pennsylvania Turnpike vehicles that have trouble making minimum speed on the steep hills are required to use their flashers. This seems to be what the truckers are doing. If the use is for a short distance of steep grade and then they turn them off, it should be OK. Driving slow and keeping them on continuously, would not be OK.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Sacchi on Sunday, August 09, 2015 - 11:28 am:

One thing I have learned from being a Model T driver is that good rear view mirrors are ESSENTIAL, and that defensive driving skills need to be flawless.

A few years ago, I was driving on a local road, in my normal daily driver. As I was preparing to make a left turn, I suddenly noticed a car in my rear view mirror that was not there about 5 seconds prior. The road was straight, and the speed limit was 45 MPH - for that person to suddenly appear like that meant they were going way beyond the posted limit. Split second thinking made me decide NOT to make my turn, and sure enough, they flew past me, with a DOUBLE YELLOW LINE, to boot. If I had been oblivious to that person and had made my turn as planned, I wouldn't be here typing this post right now.

I don't care HOW much modern mirrors detract from the look of a vintage car - get good mirrors, and use them FREQUENTLY.


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