I don't know if it was eBad, the internet, or my computer, but I had trouble looking at the listing and couldn't get a good look at much of it.
I will be interested to see what others think of it. And try to look at it again later myself.
From what I could see? Very interesting. Not much '12 there. Yet it does look so "original".
Do try to not be too nasty.
If it had the correct windscreen and black and brass headlights, it would be a pretty fair 1914 model. Must have been a proto type, delivered two years early!
Allan from down under.
Well...... no. Where do you even start with a car like this? I would hope the new owner understands what they bid on.
The engine number is correct for 1912, but I agree with Allan that most of the car looks more like 1914, with some earlier and some later parts.
As long as the buyer realizes what he's buying, it would be a good project to play with.
That engine number may be on the title, but sure doesn't belong to the engine that's in the car!
"The engine number is correct for 1912..."
Notice I didn't say the engine is correct.
The lock on the coil box looks like a YALE lock, was that a period accessory or was that added by a later owner for insurance purposes?
The coil box is a 1914. The Yale lock would not fit a 1912 coil switch, so it is not period correct for the car. It is a nice accessory for 1913 and later. I have them on my '14 and on my '17.
The switch is a 1912 K-W "Autolock". This is the early brass face plate version.
The switch base is not the same as a regular Ford switch for the 1913 metal coil box even though the mounting screw patterns are the same.
The Yale lock tumblers require a switch to match up.
Patent date on the face plate is January 1912.
Ken in Texas
I think the fact that it has been driven over a million miles (Mileage: 1,234,567) should account for how it looks on ebay. LOL
The switch was apparently made for the metal 1913 style metal coil box. K-W must have been working on the new box for some time or the "Autolock" was an earlier application in their wood box switches. The 1912 patent date doesn't indicate availability in 1912.
Ken in Texas
I see a very nice original 1914 with wrong hood, windshield and title. The rear axle looks correct with a Ruckstell added. The parking brake drums look shiny, like a set of outside brakes were removed not to long ago. I bet the engine number does not match the title. If the title and engine number match then getting it titled in a different state should be ok, but if they don't then the buyer better be versed in the ways of the DMV for their state.
I doubt that mag post oiler flows much seeing as it goes up hill even on level ground. Cute touring car project car.
From the Ebay listing.
Q: Hi has this car got its original motor thankyou. Aug-02-15
A: R I'm not sure about the original motor. The VIN is 121317 and the engine number is 128167. Someone with a greater knowledge of Model T's would be better suited to answer that question. If the VIN/Motor numbers are supposed to match, then it may not be. I was told the engine number is June, 1912 and the VIN is May, 1912. I would invite you or your agent to come inspect the vehicle to satisfy your question. Thanks for your interest.
You are right of course - the coil box and switch etc are correct for a 1914. I was being sardonic. It doesn't always work on computers as we can see!
The car is in fact mostly 1914, with a wrong engine.