Head bolt question

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: Head bolt question
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, August 20, 2015 - 07:04 pm:

I need to use washers under my head bolts.
What size are the the bolts?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Thursday, August 20, 2015 - 07:19 pm:

7/16"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Eaton on Thursday, August 20, 2015 - 08:06 pm:

You should not need washers… Have you cleaned out the bottom of the holes. You should be able to turn the head bolts in to touch the head without the gasket in place if the holes are clean. Respectfully, John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Thursday, August 20, 2015 - 08:11 pm:

I may be all wrong on this, but I'd be afraid the use of washers would mess up torque readings and thus screw things up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, August 20, 2015 - 11:17 pm:

I agree with John. You shouldn't need washers. Run a bottoming tap into the holes and blow out the debris with compressed air.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan George Long on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 03:16 am:

What if its a aluminium Z head ????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 03:23 am:

I think the alumin head is the exception.... spreading the load.
David.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Weeds on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 04:18 am:

I'm about to change a head gasket for the first time and I plan to order a Tap in advance, please confirm the size, thread and length I'll need for a "bottoming Tap" for my block?
Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 04:33 am:

I used an extra head bolt as a bottoming tap - I just made two cuts on opposite sides along the screw across the threads with an angle grinder.

For limited use like clearing out old soot from the treads it'll do. Remember to scrape the bottom of the hole with something sharp edged and blow out whatever's there before and after using the shade tree "tap". And use safety glasses :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Weeds on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 04:50 am:

Good idea Roger I'll have a look for a spare stud. Today I made an attachment to go on my vacuum cleaner with a 1/2 inch sucker hose. Hopefully I can suck out any crud after I break it up if not I'll blow it out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 06:21 am:

I use an under size drill to loosen the junk in the bottom of the holes and blow out the debris before using the bottoming tap. The tap itself will bottom out on the crud if it is compacted by the head bolt.

Hope this helps.
Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 08:16 am:

I understand the need to check the depth of the thread and clean the bottom of the hold but I am trying to address a head gasket problem without having to remove the head.

See the thread where there is a discussion about my have to remove the motor for more info.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Todd, ............Red Deer, Alberta on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 11:33 am:

Fred, the size you need is 7/16" X 14 NC (national coarse), for cleaning out the head bolt holes w/the head in place you'll need an extra long tap. Roger's suggestion of using an extra bolt w/grooves ground into it is a good one.

You could pull one head bolt (actually a cap screw) at a time and measure the depth of the hole to see if'n you really need the washers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Weeds on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 04:49 pm:

That makes sense Allan, ta.
Thanks Ken, so if I buy a tap it will be a 7/16th x 14 NC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier Savannah Tn. on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 04:50 pm:

Fred, I use washers under all my head bolts, most all modern engines use them. I use the hardened type and add a drop of oil between the head of the bolt and the engine head, usually use the T spark plug and head bolt wrench and don't have any problems ever. KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard E Moore Jr. Pickwick lake Tenn. on Friday, August 21, 2015 - 07:03 pm:

Cut slots on a 5/16 tube and turn it down in there and hitting it with a air gun. Wear glasses.


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