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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: Steering bracket
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Thompson, Sudbury MA on Friday, September 04, 2015 - 11:49 am:

I am putting the lower steering bracket on and the holes don't line up with holes in the frame. The spacing is different. Is there more than one style bracket?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, September 04, 2015 - 12:09 pm:

What kind of car do you have? If you have a speedster with a lowered cowl it won't fit. Also the 26-27 roadster and touring have a lower body which has a bracket at a different angle.

These changes are the difference between 1925 and 1926-27 models. The Tudor body was 4 inches lower, the roadster, touring and coupe were 4 1/2 inches lower but the Fordor was only 1 1/2 inch lower than the previous models.

Anyway, you need the proper bracket to fit your year and body style.

Others on the forum might know more about these things. I got my information from Bruce's book and my previous experience working on the cars.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Harper - Keene, NH on Friday, September 04, 2015 - 01:26 pm:

Hi Bill,

To answer your question in one word, yes, there are different brackets.

As Norman explained above, the Improved Car brackets are different from the '25 and earlier bracket. The TT bracket will not fit on a T. The '11 Torpedo has it's own exclusive bracket.

And, again as Norman mentioned, if you are assembling a speedster with a lower than stock steering column location the correct bracket for that year chassis won't line up. You likely will need to drill some holes.

I hope that some of this helps. What are you working on? Bill


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, September 04, 2015 - 01:50 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Thompson, Sudbury MA on Friday, September 04, 2015 - 01:52 pm:

I don't know what I am building, just getting a running frame for now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown North Central Arkansas on Friday, September 04, 2015 - 02:47 pm:

Bill, you probably should decide if you are building "brass era" "black era" "Improved Model era (26-27)" or "speedster" The choice will affect the parts you will need to find, and save having to change them out later. Most parts from different eras will interchange OK, Others will not. Submitted with respect, Donnie Brown ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Friday, September 04, 2015 - 04:25 pm:

Bill,

From Bruce’s (RIP) Price List of Parts CD as well as Steve’s page above, we see the standard lower steering column post bracket is interchangeable from 1911 to 1925 on the USA left hand drive cars (there were minor changes but it will fit and function fine – and as mentioned above the 1911 Torpedo Runabout & 1911 Open Runabout had a different lower steering column bracket). So that 1911-1925 bracket fits and functions in about 75% or so of the USA Model T Fords. The factory number is the number is normally visible on that part. So for a 1911-1925 frame (and there are lots of those) you want the lower steering column bracket with the number 932B visible on it. The location of the number and how the bracket looked changed a little over time but they function and interchange in any regular 1911-1925 car. Below is a photo showing that number on one of the brackets that Eric Hylen previously posted (thanks Eric).



And below is a later version of the same part showing the new location of the factory number and that the Ford script was added. That one was posted by Adams Corts (thank you Adams).



If you have a 1926-27 improved car frame see the brackets on the posting at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/388573.html?1379243538 for the T933 Fordor bracket or T932C for the other 1926-27 cars. If you are not sure what year range frame you have please see the drawings at: to determine if 1926-27 or the earlier style. Note the later 1913-1925 rear cross member body mounting hole is in the same location as the 1909-early 1913. (Thanks Roger Karlsson for posting those previously).
Wescotts 26/27 frame drawing http://www.wescottsauto.com/Tech/FrameDiagram1926-27.pdf

Here's Fun Projects drawing showing important dimensions on earlier frames: http://www.funprojects.com/pdf/FPIframe.pdf
And if your lower steering bracket part says TT932 it is the one for the Ton Trucks.

And of course it may be an after market part or one for a right hand drive T.

For an explanation of why it is easier to use parts from the same year ranges please see the posting at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/24786.html

And also note that the firewall bracket are also different with the 1917-1923 the same, 1924-1927 the same parts but they are used on the opposite sides for the 1924-25 verses the 1926-27 cars. And you can install them so the firewall is in the correct location or is moved out of place.

You can have a lot of fun building up a chassis and getting it running. It can be anything you want it to become. And as the wood worker who was demonstrating the Shop Smith once commented. He never told people what he was making until he was finished. Sometimes the table leg that got a chip was turn into a beautiful candle stick etc.

Good luck with your project.

Respectfully submitted,

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