How to make paint stick to glass

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Corey Walker, Brownsboro TX on Monday, October 05, 2015 - 11:20 pm:

If I paint glass will it stick, or do I have to do something to prep it? I have those 1921 headlights with the green pie shaped inserts at the top. I bought both from different places. One looked new but now the paint is flaking off. The other the paint is holding but faded but the glass is cracked. I wish they matched each other, but I also wish they matched the car. It's a combo of old black and light rust.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Monday, October 05, 2015 - 11:46 pm:

It depends on the type of paint. There are paints that stick to glass pretty well. The glass needs to be cleaned with acetone. I have transparent red and amber since that's the most common for bulbs and lenses.

Colored headlight lenses are illegal in Texas. You might get away with it locally but a state trooper may not look the other way. You take a chance when using those. And, an inspection station isn't supposed to pass those.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Corey Walker, Brownsboro TX on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 12:04 am:

I probably won't ever be on the highway, I just drive on oiltop roads or farm roads around my house. It's just a chassis with a wood bed. I sit on the gas tank. I wonder about those lights though. I know I just put this car together but it has a 1921 motor. Some cars made by Ford in 1921 came with those lights, looks like if they came on the car you could have them. I had to explain to a state trooper one night why my 49 International pickup only had one tail light. That's all you got in 49 unless you paid extra.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dane Hawley Near Melbourne Australia on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 04:10 am:

There is a product made in USA and certainly available in Australia called 'Penetrol' Paint it onto glass or porcelain and any other paint-such as automotive finishes, artists oils or acrylics, will adhere happily to the treated surface.

The product has many uses but is designed as a paint additive for oil based paints.

I use it to coat old rubber such as windscreen rubber. It seals the rubber so no more black comes off when washing the car. It lasts for a few years in that application.

I used to run an art supply shop, and discovered Penetrol through research when a customer wanted to paint pictures onto glazed plates. It was very successful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 07:28 am:

Oiltop roads are illegal in Maryland.

Are they still legal in Texas?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 07:43 am:

Corey; I too have had to explain stuff about old cars to State Troopers I have a 46 Plymouth that has 2 running / turn signal lights but only one stop light in the middle of the trunk, he was telling me that only my hi brake light was working until I explained that is the only brake light. (I think he just wanted a close look at the car) :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tony Barchock Canton, Mi on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 08:05 am:

Here are some tips and glass friendly paints.

Also make sure you are painting inside the lens

) Acrylic enamel paints such as DecoArt Ultra Gloss. They become extremely durable after a week or two of curing time and do not have to be heat-set.

2) Acrylic paints that become glass paints by mixing with glass and tile medium. If you are using glass and tile medium, the heat setting time (baking) will be slightly longer. (15 minutes more). Always refer to the manufacturers' instructions.

3) Specialised solvent based glass paint.

Helpful Hints:
When using glass paints or any other paints, make sure that they are mix thoroughly. Shake the bottles or roll them on the table. Stir them gently when neccessary.

Never mix glass paint with water.This will weaken their strength and lessen adhesion to the surface.The paints are best used straight from the bottle. The water that is left on the brushes after washing can also affect adhesions, so dry your brushes thoroughly.

You may thinned the glass paints with clear medium to create washes and transparents effects. However, keep within the same line as different combination of the products could result in undesirable results.
Few lines of glass products :


DECOART GLASS PAINTS

Glass-tiques
Glass-tiques is a transparent, dimensional-effect paint for glass, plastic, and glazed ceramics.

Liquid Rainbow
Liquid Rainbow is a removable transparent paint that can be used to create suncatchers or decorative dimensional stickers that will adhere to glass, mirrors,and other smooth surfaces.

Ultra Gloss Air Dry Enamel
These are more commonly used glass paints. Air-cured enamels designed to paint on glass that are durable, scratch resistant, and hand-washable in only seven days. They are one-step process and require no surface conditioning or topcoat.Can also be used on jewelery, children's toys, leather, candles, tin, metal and holiday ornaments.

Ultra Frost
It is a transparent frosted paint for glass, tile, plastic and glazed ceremics.

Glass Stains( New)
Permanent, transparent colors with a glossy sheen ideal for filling suncatchers or staining on glass or clear plastic .

FOLKART

FolkArt Enamels by Plaid Enterprise
These are premium, artist quality paints; rich, smooth, creamy and are scratch resistance.
They are one-step easy which require no surface preparation, other than cleaning your surface properly. Enamels can be mixed, blended, and brushed like other FolkArt paints, so they can be used for One Stroke and other popular techniques. Colours have the same names as their FolkArt counterparts, which makes finding your favourite colors and project instructions much easier.

FolkArt Enamels are waterbased and non-toxic and dry to an opaque finish and gloss sheen. Cleanup (while wet) is easy with soap and water. Painted projects will cure naturally when air-dried, or for enhanced durability, they can be baked in the oven following the instructions on the paint bottle. Best of all, painted creations are easy to care for - they'll hold fast and maintain their glorious color, even when washed on the top rack of the dishwasher!
FolkArt Enamels Clear Medium
Making the line even more versatile is FolkArt Enamels Clear Medium. When used with FolkArt Enamels, this medium allows you to create transparent effects without losing adhesion. To make transparent paint, mix equal amounts of Clear Medium and FolkArt Enamel. Or use it like a floating medium for shading and highlighting.

Gallery Glass Liquid Leading
For detailed designs or to create stain glass look, use Liquid Leading . They create the look of real leading lines with their waterbased, non-toxic formula. Applicator tip allows for clean, easy leading lines. Let dry 8 hours and you're ready to paint. It comes in three convenient sizes, perfect for any size project.

VITREA BY PEBEO

Vitrea by Pebeo glass paint
They are transparent water-based colours. To make paints more opaque, many layers are needed to which require at least 20 minutes between coats. If the layers are overworked the paints will lift. Do not mix with water.
Finishing / Heat -setting

For more durability, heat set in a home oven. ( not a microwave ) You need to let your project cure for 24 hours before heat setting. Always have separate ovens for your heat setting. Do not use the same oven for cooking.
Place your project in a cold oven and set the temperatures specified on the label. When the correct temperature (usually 160-165 celsius or 325-330 fahrenheit) is reached, bake for 30 minutes (ready mixed paints ) or 45 minutes (glass and tile medium ). Let the oven cool completely before removing the item. Air the oven to remove any remaining fumes , by running the exhaust fan in your kitchen during and after heat - setting.

Alternatively, if your project is too big, you can heat - set with a hairdryer on low heat and not placed too close. You can also placed your items in the sun to harden the paint.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Corey Walker, Brownsboro TX on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 08:52 am:

James, Come to think of it, they aren't oiltop roads anymore. I just call them that because that's what they were when I grew up. Kind of like our local grocery store, everybody still calls it the name it was 25 years ago. I can't even remember where there is still a dirt road around here. Thanks for the tips I may try it on some o;d window glass and see how it comes out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John C Codman on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 09:47 am:

If you want paint to stick to glass just spray some on glass in a place where you don't want it. The doggone stuff will stick forever.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 09:55 am:

G.R., I had the same brake light issue with a '41 Dodge years ago. The problem actually telegraphed itself in the language used in the first exchange between the cop and me.

Cop: "Your brake lights aren't working."

Me: "It isn't?"

(I knew it was working because the ammeter moved whenever I stepped on the brake.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 11:51 am:

Back around 1940 a neighbor behind where we lived had a window on the back of the garage which was painted. I was very young at that time and another boy a couple years older than I told me to throw a rock at it. I did throw a rock and broke the window. The neighbor was unhappy and told my parents. I didn't even know it was a window! I had never seen one you couldn't see through!
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 12:23 pm:

'46-48 Nash cars also had one broke light right in the middle of the trunk.
I install a newer universal directional light switch on my '48 and now when the brakes are on the two rear directional lights light up most modern cars and pickups do.
The nice thing about the separate brake light is that when you hit the brakes the traffic immediately behind will notice there is now a light on that wasn't before.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 01:43 pm:

We modernized our roads in Texas!
Now it's sprayed tar with gravel thrown over it. :-) That's how they did the state road in front of me and my driveway approach/easement.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 05:21 pm:

The old method of painting glass is to apply shellac to the glass then paint to the shellac. Shellac will adhere to glass and paint will adhere to shellac. Sign painters used this method for years when painting letters on shop windows.


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