How To Remove Engine From Speedster with Warford Trans.

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: How To Remove Engine From Speedster with Warford Trans.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Brough on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 07:51 pm:

Picked up this 26 speedster with a warford transmission installed and the advice from this group was to leave it in.
I've got the cowl and radiator off the frame and only the steering wheel remains. I want to pull the engine and hogshead as a unit for cleaning, painting and some light restoration. It does have a starter.
Wish I could take a photo to help explain, but it's beyond my capabilities.
So, the two bolts on the frame crossmember and ears at the side rear of the motor and the front mount by the crank handle. Remove electrical, inkage and exhaust pipe.
But, where should I make the brake on the drivetrain? I have no reason to remove the warford, I can clean it up and paint it along with the driveshaft in place. From the engine back, I have the engine, hogshead, then for bolts that connect to some sort of resevoir with a threaded cap on it and filled with axle grease, then 4 more bolts and the Warford, then a crossmember and some bolts to the driveshaft flange.

Is the axle grease resevoir part of the hogshead and should come off with the engine and hogshead? Or disconnect after the hogshead, but prior to this resevoir?

I'hh hang up and listen. I've ordered the Service Manual, but it hasn't arrived yet and this Warford thing is probably not covered in the SM.

Thanks in advance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John T. Tannehill III, Hot Coffee, MS on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 08:12 pm:

Anyway you could take pictures you could post to clearly identify what you have. I'm not sure I've ever seen any type reservoir off set from a warford, do you know if you have disc rear brakes on the speedster?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donald Manlove on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 08:36 pm:

I think is talking about the four bolts that bolt the u joint cover to the fourth main and the back of the pan. The screw cap is the screw down grease fitting for the u joint. Take the four bolts out and it stays with the driveshaft. Fits around bell on driveshaft to hold to hogsheads and oil pan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kurt Baltrusch on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 08:52 pm:

Don't forget the two nuts holding the wishbone socket underneath!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 10:07 pm:

Duh! Remove the rear end, just like you would a T with out a Warford, then remove the Warford, and then pull the engine, and note last entry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Brough on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 10:24 pm:

Yes, it is the removeable screw off grease fitting. In my case, from the rear of the speedster, it is axle, driveshaft, warford, grease fitting, hogshead, motor.

I guess what I'm reading is that I can unbolt the grease fitting thingy from the front of the Warford and leave it and the driveshaft with the frame?
I'll try and do a photo, but can't promise anything. Anything else I can do verbally to assist in the description?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 10:32 pm:

I have never removed an engine with the Warford still attached to it.
why would you do that?
Just leave the Warford there like the front 12 inches of the drive shaft that it replaces.
Unbolt the front of the Warford from the rear of the T transmission and pull the engine out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eckensviller - Thunder Bay, ON on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 10:34 pm:

I now recognize I made a huge mistake by pulling too much of my T apart as soon as I got it and just making a mountain of work for myself. Consider that carefully before tearing it right down...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 10:37 pm:

Axle grease reservoir? What is that?
It sounds like you have a later cast iron Warford with a U joint in front. No? Yes?
Larry, do you really remove the rear end to get the engine out of a T?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Brough on Thursday, October 08, 2015 - 10:30 am:

Tim makes a great point. When I restored my 42 GPW, I got a hoist and yanked the engine and trans. BUT, it went out to the machine shop to get rebuilt so it had to happen. If everything in the T is connected and looks like it works fine, why remove anything just to clean and paint it?
So I'll leave it be. I may loosen up some mounts and floor jack it up a little to get access to some hard to reach items, but I'm now leaning towards just leaving it in, cleaning and painting and save my efforts for the body yet to come.
I'll try to post a photo anyway so you know what the heck I was talking about, but it now feels like this grease fitting is the front part of the Warford and not the rear part of the T.

Thanks to all.


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