Old Shorpy Photo- Group with nice 1913(?) T

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dane Hawley Near Melbourne Australia on Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 04:04 am:

Group of cars, unfortunately most hidden by the crowd of people, but there is a nice T towards the front.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/20350


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Norton on Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 04:31 am:

Pre-1915 but with louvres in bonnet (louvers in hood). http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/F-H.htm#hood1


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 05:30 am:

Great photo! A few Ts, Buicks, Cadillacs and even a big Packard in the lineup. Also, a speedster parked next to the masses of big touring cars. Quite a sight. And the speedster is not black.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 06:13 am:

G’day Dane,

Thanks for posting the link. Below shows the two Ts that are up front:



As David pointed out louvered hood on the flat firewall car. We can see the windshield folds to the rear and that the door does not go straight down to the bottom of the body like the 1913 body style but is curved at the bottom and stops above the sill. So that would indicate a 1914 model year car by the MTFCI Judging guidelines and Bruce McCalley’s guidelines [ref: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1914.htm see model year].

I was hoping the car might support that Ford used the 1915 style louvered hoods on the 1914 style bodied cars that were assembled during the overlap when the flat firewall without a cowl 1914 style and new sloping metal cowl introduced with the 1915 models were both being manufactured. But we can see that the 1914 car without the metal cowl still has the earlier style 1914 side lamps that have a separate bracket holding them to the firewall. I believe that one produced near the end of the 1914 production would have had the side lamp with the integral bracket. If that understanding is correct, then the louvered hood on this car would have been a replacement and not from the factory. [If anyone has information to support Ford continued using the lamps with the separate bracket to the end of the “no metal cowl” 1914 style production, please let us know.]

The 1915 with the curved metal cowl can be seen next to the 1914. You can see that the brass radiator and the brass rims on the electric headlamps are shinier than the brass on the 1914 radiator.

And if anyone remembers seeing a late 1914 style T with a 1915 style louvered hood that probably did come from the Ford factory that way, please let us knows. I need to look back through the excellent photos Royce posted on the MTFCI site of 1914 Model Ts, there might be an example there?

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By charley shaver- liberal,mo. on Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 08:41 am:

car right behind the ford is a 1915 overland mod 80..charley


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn-Monroeville OH on Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 08:44 am:

Dane that is a fantastic picture. And once again, the clarity of it and the sharp depth of field is truly outstanding.


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