What is it - huge touring, pre - 1910

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Friday, November 27, 2015 - 12:07 pm:

This is unlike anything I have seen.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Friday, November 27, 2015 - 02:10 pm:

It looks like a Welch.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Woolf on Friday, November 27, 2015 - 02:36 pm:

I agree it is a Welch.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Friday, November 27, 2015 - 02:49 pm:

Are there any surviving today?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Paulsen - McPherson, KS on Friday, November 27, 2015 - 02:59 pm:

I agree, definitely a Welch. It's a 5-6 year old car in the photo, judging by the 1913 New Hampshire license plate. I believe there are three left. And Royce, I'll bet you have seen one of the survivors- it's in OKC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Friday, November 27, 2015 - 03:33 pm:

Probably the most well known surviving Welch is the one that belonged to the late author Ralph Stein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Stein

It's featured in his book "The Treasury of the Automobile" and there is a photo of it on the dust jacket.

Very impressive motor - overhead cam and, if I recall correctly, hemispherical combustion chambers.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Mc Willie on Friday, November 27, 2015 - 03:44 pm:

I believe there are four of them-Nethercutt Collection, LA County Museum Collection, Henry Ford Museum, and the above pictured car that was owned by Stein for many years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Friday, November 27, 2015 - 06:38 pm:

I saw the one on the cover of the Ralph Stein book about 18 years ago in CO.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Coco - Winchester Va. on Friday, November 27, 2015 - 07:26 pm:

Sheesh, this is one of those stories...it was the mid 1970's, and I was interested in buying a 1910 Hupmobile in a collection in north Louisiana, and I ended up buying most of the collection, 10 cars or so.....I'd read Ralph Stein's books, of course, and in one of them, "Runabouts and Roadsters", he discussed such a Hupp. I called him, having done some of the pre-internet net-working to get his number...we discussed that car and a 1906 Autocar that was available to me. I'll never forget, he said "Why don't you consider buying my Welch?"...well, of course I knew the car from the book, what's the asking price...if I remember correctly, it was 30K, a lot of money back then, but I was in a position that I could have done it...but said no. What a car, what an opportunity, oh well, still thankful for what I have now!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Saturday, November 28, 2015 - 04:17 pm:

The Stein Welch now lives in Oklahoma as part of the Bolton Collection.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Saturday, November 28, 2015 - 04:19 pm:

The Welch has overhead valves in a hemispheric combustion chamber. Also an overhead cam. Very impressive engine!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach, CA on Saturday, November 28, 2015 - 11:09 pm:

They also had mousetrap ignition or make and break with no spark plugs but opened and closed a gap by monkey motion to cause a spark.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Sunday, November 29, 2015 - 09:47 pm:

Are you sure you're not thinking about the Matheson Frank?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Monday, November 30, 2015 - 12:56 am:

First guess when I saw the photos was Welch, guess what book I was reading and drooling over the cars in it back in the 70's? :-)(Even the Model T made it into that book)


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