I wonder if this is a uniform of some sort?
Another great old time photo.
That is the new official MTFCA uniform. Members will be required to wear it on all official functions and outings.
If we are voting, I like the other girl cranking the car in her bikini. Just say,n
I am with you robert. this gal aint that bad, but, Christina's picture is on the shop wall as we speak.
Dennis, this is the new MTFCA women's uniform. The men's uniform is a kilt....
With the high collar and leggings that looks like a WWI doughboy uniform. All that's missing is the campaign hat or the steel helmet.
I have couple WWI uniforms,and used to sometimes wear them for parades. I am part Scottish. But really do not plan to wear a kilt, thank you very much.
Nothing wrong with wearing a kilt, Wayne....
In the Great War the German soldiers referred to the Scottish Highland Regiments (Kilt wearing fierce fighters, must be the wool that makes them so mean) as the ladies from Hell. The Highland Regiments wore the plaid with a kaki cover during the beginning of the war, later changing to the standard uniform.
Is that a short girl, or a really tall car?? Either way, she's pretty cute.
Tim, settle down...she's taken...look at the rock on her left hand...sheesh, it might really BE a rock, to show in the picture...
Maybe shes a Doughgirl??
She's just your size, Tim.
" Nothing wrong with wearing a kilt, Wayne.... "
Nothing wrong with bagpipe noise either, IF you like
the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard !
They feared the highland charge for many years, flying kilts and no underwear.
That made them turn and run.
Till this very day my Scottish heritage has inspired many a highland charge albeit solo when I feel cornered.
Nothing like a one man highland charge to let folks know you mean business...
You mean like this?
I won't knock anyone for wearing a kilt! My Scottish heritage would not allow it. However, it somehow does not appeal to me.
The Scots have a lot of history to be very proud of. As do many peoples. I have always been very proud of my ancestors.
Bagpipes on the other hand? I love the sound of bagpipes!!!!!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
How are these Wayne? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzZLNwqvdQ
David & Mike, seems like you both know me!! ;) Could that be a Peacoat?
As with so many neat old pics you guys post, my mind starts to thinking of "what was the history?"...she's no doubt dead, what kind of life did she have, family, etc.? Somewhere out there is a survivor who might be thrilled to death to have this picture of her. If only....
You guys are missing a small detail in the first picture and the reference of Christina cranking the T. Its winter in the first picture (note no leaves on the trees) and summer in the frequently-posted picture of how to crank a T in high heels.
The gal in the first picture is wearing the MTFCA Winter outfit and the gal in the picture NOT yet shown in this thread is wearing the Summer outfit
Looks like your picture negative is reversed, according to the buttons on her uniform
I don't think so. She is likely wearing a WWI man's army surplus jacket.
How do we know the rear is nice. It may have worn babbitt thrust washers and razor sharp or chipped teeth.
If you scale the picture vertically, using the outer diameter of a rear tire as 30 inches, adjust slightly for depth of field, she appears to be well over 5 feet tall, maybe even approaching 6 feet. The back of that body, for some reason, seems abnormally high to me....
Oh, I forgot Royce is always right
Picture of a pretty girl and a T, and the discussion is about buttons...wow...guess we all just wish we were in that time and place to discuss buttons with her! It's a great and haunting picture, as mentioned, who is/was she, why the picture and the clothing, and such..
Not to push the drift too far? But Flame-throwing bagpipes!? Cool! (Now there is a word I don't use often.) Interesting performance, and the music was great!
Thanks Doug M!
Going back to the original picture. The white sidewalls show fairly well on all three visible tires. I am getting more interested in the tire aspect of early automobile history and noticing more and more old photos that do show this characteristic.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
She is wearing a M1917 army jacket, but I doubt it is surplus. This photo was taken either early in 1919 or late 1919, more likely late 1919. All US troops were issued a new uniform when they were shipped home after the war ended in June of 1919, some were shipped home before the end of the war but after the Armistice. This photo is taken after her boy friend/husband returned and not before as can be deduced by the puttees she wears on her calves. The canvas leggings shown in the photo posted by Jim Patrick were discarded when the troops arrived in France and replaced with the wrap leggings (puttees)
The uniform is a pretty good fit; maybe it's hers, not a man's.
I also thought that would be her uniform unless she is dating or married to a very petite man.
David estimated above that she is over five feet and possibly closer to six. At that time, that would have been tall for a woman, I think, and it is quite likely that her boyfriend or husband might be about the same height. I'm 5'7" and it seems fairly clear that my T was designed for someone about my height. I fit a lot more comfortably in a T that my 6'+ friends do. Also can't think why a woman at that time would be wearing her own military uniform in a man's style.
I did not say the jacket belonged to a man. It has the buttons arranged as in the photo of the soldier above; i.e. it is a men's jacket, not a ladie's jacket.
If it was issued to her, I wonder how that would be possible? Were women allowed in the US Army in 1919?
It's vaguely possible she was a driver for an officer.
I can't imagine a woman in the military around WWI wearing a man's uniform.
I say she is ticked off because she just had to change that spare tire and is late for her salvation army meeting.
I would imagine that her man just came back from the war and they took several pictures. Film and processing were a bit expensive by today's digital standards, so likely only a few photos were taken. That was somewhat of a "bonding ritual" for some couples when he returned.
Me being six foot even, I had some difficulty getting uniforms that really fit me. But I did manage look okay in them. The best one I had, I probably could not wear anymore. I did have one that was a larger size that I could probably still use. I bought it when I did so that I could hopefully use it when I got old and fat.
There were also a Women's Motor Corps and various nursing and supply groups operating in relatively safe areas. They had Women's versions of uniforms. A very good friend and his wife have one that she used to wear often in parades. She would drive the T while we rode and waved at the crowds.
So much history to know and honor.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
The more I look at the picture, it appears her feet are in a depression in the ground, lower than the T's wheels. I'm still thinking 5' 6" minimum for her height, based on tire diameter.
I also believe it's a man's uniform, based on button placement....buttons sewed to right flap men's, to left flap women's, pretty standard for a long time...what an interesting picture, though!
Tried searching Google images for the picture. Got three hits. All of them were this thread on the forum.... _
Gustaf in Idaho is the resident expert on WW1 uniforms - he may chime in with some input?
Go up 11 threads counting yours and you will see that Gustaf did identify the uniform.
Oh, sorry, missed that
We did a Government contract making Army Dress Blues. They haven't changed the uniforms much at all over the years. The flaps and epaulets are still the same shape. Kind of strange they decided to go to a Navy Blue.
The lady is backed up against two very good scales of measure albeit on a slight slope:
1. The touring car whose tack rail is 54 inches high, and
2. The rear bucket panel which is 36" wide at its top.
Also, from her mouth to the top of her head is no more than 7 inches.
The lady is very likely a petite 5'-2" tall.
The touring car seems very high to the small lady because that #4 bow is 6 feet 8 inches high on the two-man top.
The car appears to be a late 1920 with the pressed steel channel running board supports and the "L" top iron supports.
I believe we have worked this one over pretty well.
Ken in Texas
The women who served in WWI wore their own uniforms, they were not like the men's uniforms. As Wayne said, most uniforms of the period are very small.
The car has accessory lever shocks that have raised the tire to fender location. The car is setting high.
Lots of preoccupation with the gal's height.
If you want to be more scientific:
For a "three light" rear top curtain, the inside measurement of an accessory metal glass frame is typically 8 1/2" in height, regardless of brand (the metal frames are designed to fit over and line up with the existing openings in the rear curtain).
With the above info in hand, someone can figure out how tall this woman is.
Wherever it is, it looks to be in the winter and cold. If I'm not mistaken there is snow on the ground and a small mound of it on the left rear fender. That might explain why she's wearing a heavy wool Army uniform. Might be the warmest thing she could find. Jim Patrick
With Erik's rear curtain measuring strategy, the gal is about 5"-0" tall. But, it appears she is trying to appear taller. She is standing on her toes.