Help needed with engine number and casting dates

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: Help needed with engine number and casting dates
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David R Herring on Sunday, December 06, 2015 - 09:23 am:

I have been looking at a 14 T with a engine block casting date of 11 03 14 but the number stamped on the block is 519523 which according to the records was a May 1914 production date?

Normally the casting date would be older than the serial number.

Do anyone have any explanation please?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Sunday, December 06, 2015 - 09:40 am:

If the engine was replaced by a dealer, the original engine number would be stamped into the replacement engine.

Check the boss on which the engine number is stamped. However illegal, it is/was a common practice to grind the old number off a replacement engine and re-stamp a engine with the old number. This was done to maintain originality and "matching numbers" but doesn't hold up with engines that have casting dates.

By however method, I would say the engine is a replacement.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, December 06, 2015 - 09:55 am:

November 1914 would be several months into the 1915 model year production. Ken's explanation is the only one that makes sense. Someone stamped that number on the engine to make it match the car's title.

Bear in mind that the car might look like a 1914 and the engine could be original to the car. Here's a picture of the 1915 touring body style that was produced in November 1914:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David R Herring on Sunday, December 06, 2015 - 10:21 am:

Thanks for the information it is a 14 body style with the wooden firewall and carbide headlamps. I think its a May 1914 with a later engine block.

Ken's answer makes sense, the blocks were cast with a date and then stored until the vehicles came off the production line and the serial number was stamped on the block. It should be the other way around


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn-Monroeville OH on Sunday, December 06, 2015 - 11:16 am:

That is one helluva nice looking early '15.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, December 06, 2015 - 11:20 am:

David,

The wooden firewall and carbide lamps were used right up until the end of December 1914 at Highland Park and probably through April or May 1915 at the assembly branches. The key differences that are seen on the 1915 model are the front fenders with a bill(seen above) and the cowl lamps with integral brackets like this:


Brown Model 110 with integral bracket for 1915 model year:


E&J Model 32 with integral bracket for 1915 model year:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Dugger on Sunday, December 06, 2015 - 04:49 pm:

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David R Herring on Sunday, December 06, 2015 - 05:26 pm:

Royce

Many thanks for the information on the lamps, the wooden firewall looks better than the sheet metal


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