4th rear/main bearing oil hole

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2015: 4th rear/main bearing oil hole
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Richmon - Richmond, VA on Friday, December 18, 2015 - 05:39 pm:

OK fellow EXPERTS, today I pulled my hogs head to repair a leaking gasket. The rear mail turned a little so I wanted to check to be sure when I turned it back to line up the bolt holes the oil hole in the bearing would be pointing to 12 o'clock. I checked all the way around and no hole to be found! My T is a November 1911 build, did they not have oil holes in the rear main back then? By the way this is a fresh rebuilt engine in the car that I purchased some time ago.Thanks for any help! Happy Holidays


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Friday, December 18, 2015 - 06:02 pm:

It should have an oil hole. I wonder if the hole is there but full of babbitt?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Friday, December 18, 2015 - 06:08 pm:

I've re-poured a few early ones and they had 4 holes, 3 of which are anchors, filled with the babbitt and #4 drilled + an oil channel, an early parts book also shows this. Even if a later one is used, the single hole should still be there even if it's filled with babbitt, to have no sign of a hole at all, I've never come across one yet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Richmon - Richmond, VA on Friday, December 18, 2015 - 06:09 pm:

Royce, I looked it over pretty good, darn if I could see any trace of a hole!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Friday, December 18, 2015 - 06:24 pm:

Need to drill one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Richmon - Richmond, VA on Friday, December 18, 2015 - 06:28 pm:

OH Boy, I guess I'll have to pull the rear end back to get it out, OH BOY!Don't think it would be smart to drill it in the car for sure. Thanks for the quick response.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Putnam, Bluffton, Ohio on Friday, December 18, 2015 - 06:45 pm:

Some of the after market ball caps did not have the oil hole. FWIW


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier Savannah Tn. on Friday, December 18, 2015 - 06:46 pm:

I have found a few with no hole, I don't think it really made much difference as oil is still going to get in there. KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Friday, December 18, 2015 - 09:29 pm:

I was thinking about the same thing as Keith. I bet there is still plenty of oil that get in esp if there is any wear. I have seen recommendations to turn the 4th so the hole is to one side if it's a little loose to stem the over oiling of the u-joint.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kohnke Rebabbitting, Clare, Iowa on Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 01:31 am:

About 25 to 30 percent of ball caps we have spun poured did not have an oil hole, as we drilled them in the boring machine.

My guess is that if they were Fords, and I don't know, the earlier caps may not have been drilled.

The 4 hole cap Frank talks about is an after market ball cap, and a bad one at that. It has a rolled housing that caries the Babbitt, and the Babbitt is 2 times as thick, and were always filled with lead Babbitt.

Herm.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Richmon - Richmond, VA on Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 07:24 am:

Thanks everyone, sounds like the proper thing to do is pull the cap out and drill a hole for proper lubrication.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 10:12 pm:

Bob, I think you have confused Frank by referring to the ball cap as the rear main cap. He has told you of the way the babbit is poured in the engine block, and how there is a need for a hole to allow engine oil to lubricate the rear main.

Then Herm picked up on the same mis-description, referring to the four bolt holes in the cap.

Or am I the confused one?
Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 10:37 pm:

No Allan, ball cap is what it was, I've come across the one I described in early Canadian T's, Herm picked up on that it's a after marked one but I think it's just another one of those Canadian oddities that we find that was different from USA.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 04:48 pm:

Have one of those hole-less ball caps too.

Thought it to be an aftermarket cap. But don't know.

Interesting, the non-hole has an O.D. on the bushing of 1.95", while the regular type with single hole measures 1.85". So the non-hole has a beefier bushing bore cylinder.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Richmon - Richmond, VA on Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 05:29 pm:

Dan's pictures are correct, this is the part in question. One things for sure, Ole' Henry would have never drilled a hole if it wasn't was needed. Every operation was money and he was all about saving money and time. I hope to pull it out tomorrow and check the clearances along with drill the necessary hole. I'll measure the OD to see what I have & report back. Thanks for everyone's interest.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 06:42 pm:

Bob

Thanks for checking the bore O.D. too.

Found in Bruce's CD Ency looking up the Part # 3369 Univ Ball Cap, front, which has Factory # T-819D there are notes on this part.

Seems T-819D was changed on 04-22-20 according to Accession documents to have a 3/8" hole added to the top of the bushing. So, perhaps these are caps prior to April 1920 that are hole-less. :-)


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