OT - would any forum member care to translate this, French to English?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 07:35 pm:

I tried to do some of this 1907 Belgium newspaper with an online translator, but it didn't work well due to punctuation.

Thanks in advance for any help,

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Coco - Winchester Va. on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 06:31 am:

Try Google translate, French to English, it will give you the closest to the meaning of the text. It seems to be saying that there is political unrest, while the King ignores it as he walks through his gardens. The reference to the Ford is strange, saying something like "at a time when the car Ford led the Speed Society, we (journalists, as discussed in the next paragraph),ignored it and only discussed the changing of the guard" (not the exact Google translation but interpreted). Belgium is a monarchy, so the text would be discussing the Belgium King at the time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn-Monroeville OH on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 08:43 am:

Rob you might even be able to copy and paste it into the Google translater program, I've done that before and it works out pretty good. That way you can interpret the entire article.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 10:46 am:

When I try the online translator, this is what came up:

Swap French to English:
"Like the preceding days , nothing found in the surroundings of the royal domain , the political turmoil we are experiencing , if n is the large presence of journalists and restless ... The field is empty, the King wanders in his gardens and when the Ford car, the Company has deposited us Speed ​​grid entry , the only landmark event is the changing of the guard !
The people we interview saven do : nothing. we do avu person Lacken do all day , and no hearing has been granted . Mr. Trooz has therefore not been received by Her Majesty and I'impression general is that it will be requ when it has its combination ready made ."

I'm not sure why the reference to Ford. Ford's were sold in Brussels at this time, and Ford had a booth in the 1908 Brussels car show, so we know they had a presence in the country at the time....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 01:26 pm:

Rob,

Maybe Dick Lodge will do the trick in exchange for a ride in your K.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 02:50 pm:

Dave,

I was hoping he would join in.......

Everyone knows K rides are fairly easy to come by when I'm in the area.

:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colin Mavins Winnipeg,Canada on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 03:15 pm:

Rob using a translator Voiture in french means car,wagon,autocar,automobile these are the options it gives me. Cheers Colin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colin Mavins Winnipeg,Canada on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 03:26 pm:

Rob I'm trying to translate the all of it which is I think what you want but I type slow . Colin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 03:41 pm:

I appreciate the vote of confidence, but I studied French in high school and college, then spent most of 1968 living in Paris. In January 1969, I moved to Amsterdam and haven't had a lot to do with French since. I did give this a shot, but there was too much I didn't completely follow.

If you ever find an article in Dutch, I'll be happy to help.... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 04:52 pm:

Maybe it's written in Flemish???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colin Mavins Winnipeg,Canada on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 05:06 pm:

here the first bit I typed it in on google translate


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andre Valkenaers on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 05:09 pm:

Hey all,
The reason why it is hard to understand is because you only picked up a very small part of the crisis.
The journalist was set before the royal palace by a Ford car used by the taxi company "Speed" in 1907.
The article never said what Ford car this was.
The story is a part of the Belgian story before the first World War during the time the second Belgian King, Leopold II, had the power over Belgium. Leopold II died in 1910 and never saw the war. His son Albert I became King and took us through the war. Albert I was called the Knight King or the War King.
Now in short the crisis story.
Crisis was about the money that came to Belgium from Congo.
At that time The African territory "Congo" was privately owned by the king Leopold II. Only at his dead Congo became the only Belgian colony and stay so till 1960.
The crisis was a discussion about the part of money from the Congo Mines for the Belgian government and the part for the King.
The King used Belgian capital for the mines.

Mr Trooz was the prime minister. All the other persons in the article made part of the Belgian government at that time.
The country was complicated in 1906 and it still is but that is an other story.
Hope this helps

Merry Christmas

Andre
Belgium


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 05:22 pm:

Hartelijk dank, André! Het helpt ook uiteraard als je de achtergrond kent. Ik weet niet zo erg veel over de Belgische geschiedenis.
mvg
Dick

Thank you, André. It also of course helps if you know the background. I don't know very much about Belgian history.
Regards,
Dick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andre Valkenaers on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 05:26 pm:

I forgot this:
The article tell us what the king and each member of the government individual was doing this Saturday afternoon 22 of April 1907.
At the end of the afternoon, Mr Woeste was called at the palace to talk about the situation with the king.

Andre
Belgium


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Simon-Pierre Smith on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 07:54 pm:

From my mom. A little belgian history and a little evolution of car vocabulary at the end.

Well, it seems Belgium had a crisis of government.


the journalists arrived in a Ford from the Speed Society (must be the same current speedsociety.com) to see the king, which they did not see, he was walking in his gardens; nothing , no-one to see but the changing of the guard. No-one knows anything;

de Trooz,( who later became the 18th Prime Minister of Belgium and did not know he would die the last day of that year 1907 at age 50), negociates, only tells funny replies to our questions.

The situation will clarify when someone, probably de Trooz, will be called to assemble the new ministry.
de Trooz goes home to Leuwen for the week-end.
Discussions, secret meetings; former ministers moving out of their office. And de Trooz is walking in the woods, marvelously invisible.
Saturday afternoon: Meeting between the king's secretary and some count.
The baron so and so takes a ride in a car with his wife and somebody's son.
Another baron takes a ride in a car in the woods.
Seen in a park So and so walking fast toward the rue Royale.
Saturday morning de Trooz received the court's marshall and the representative of Brussels.
So and so spent a little time at the congress library.
Late Saturday afternoon the head of the Right met with the king. We had predicted already Thursday that the king would consult him. They met for a long time.



Is anything ever new in politics?

"Promenade en voiture", could mean a "voiture a cheval", a horse driven carriage or a car; the paragraph above mentions "promenade en auto" an automobile.
the 1st paragraph says the journalists arrive in a "voiture", obviously an automobile.
Now both "voiture" and "auto" mean the same thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 08:06 pm:

Thank you. Now the question remains, what model Ford was used as a taxi in Brussels? We know at least 13 Model B were used in London as taxi, into 1906. I also have a photo from the 1908 Brussels car show with a Model K at the Ford booth. I'm also impressed that the brand "Ford" is mentioned, when it appears to have no relationship to the story line.

I believe I have another K-Belgium connection, however will need to find it.

It's amazing (to me) how quickly Ford became an international company, while many domestic peers did not have the ware withal (or product) to sell internationally.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 08:14 pm:

That didn' take as long as I expected, found it! I didn't recall it included "Societe Anonyme Speed."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Monday, December 21, 2015 - 09:02 pm:

A little more searching, this 1907 ad may indicate "Societe Speed" is the Ford dealer in Brussels:
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So, why mention "Ford" and "Societe Speed" in this story about national politics?


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