Recently I confirmed the frame # and motor # on my 27 Fordor match. Tonight I discovered a number on the what I would call the "body sill" it is H P A 11636. It is on the drivers side right by the parking brake lever. I also talked to the gentleman who bought the car in 1966. He bought it at an auction in Altamont, Illinois. He does not know who had it before then. Oh well. From searching older posts, I get the impression that numbers on the body were only on earlier cars. The numbers Im talking about are pretty clear, but do not match the frame/engine. Is there a chance that the body is not original? Help! By the way, the H and the P are purposely "together" almost like it was one stamp.
After googling for a while, it hit me, the HP A maybe stands for Highland Park Assembly? Im gonna try to get a picture of the numbers posted, might be a while, Im not that computer savvy.
I am restoring a 1926 coupe that has body numbers
stamped in the middle of the sill next to the seat riser. No one ever responded about the body numbers on 26-27 closed cars. Leon
From what little research Ive done, Hap Tucker is really into the body serial number thing, but maybe thats only for open cars, i dont know. What are the numbers on your coupe?
Leon and Brian,
See thread, "Any Tudors after serial # 14,714,xxx, or close to it?" last visited July 13.
1. Yes, I (Hap Tucker) am very interested in tracking down additional information on the 1914-1923 Model T Ford open car body manufacture numbers as well as the 1906-1914 body manufacture numbers (the oldest I currently have is a 1908 Beaudette bodied Ford Model S Roadster). Each of 8 or more body manufactures from 1913 to the introduction of the high cowl open cars often would use their body numbers to help keep track of how many bodies were delivered to Ford so they would know how much to charge etc. For information on those Body Manufacture numbers (and they go
2. I am also collecting information on Model T Ford “Assembly Plant” numbers. By the time the 1928 Model A Ford was in production the individual Ford assembly plants were usually but not always stamping some letter or letters and sometimes a date code of when the body was placed onto the frame. For the Model A Fords it was placed on one of the rails around the front floor boards. They have done a great job solving that for the Model As and I am hoping to work backwards from their excellent information on the 1928-31 Fords to find out how far back that procedures goes. So far we have had very little response but we have found at least one or two that match up with the Ford assembly plants. If I had a 1925-27 car I would be pursuing this one more. Dave Sturges’ work on the 1928-31 Model A Fords is located at: http://www.mafca.com/downloads/Technical/Assembly%20Plants%20Body%20Number.pdf If anyone has a body assembly plant code please share it with us so we can extend Dave’s work back into the Model Ts. Note Dave is NOT interested in working the T numbers but is interested in if we discover how far back it goes.
3. The letters “HP” might stand for Highland Park. Note they are NOT listed in Dave Sturges’ 1928-31 Model A Ford assembly plants because Model A Fords were NOT produced at the Highland Park Plant. Instead they were produced at the Rouge which is shown in his listing and used the letter “F” as their mark.
3. Some related threads
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/31535.html has a definite assembly number at the end indicating the body was assembled in Oklahoma City (based on Dave Sturges Model A Listing above).
4. Brian, thank you for sharing and when you have a chance please take a photo with a ruler or dime etc. near the numbers and post or e-mail so we can tell their size. If anyone has additional information please let us know.
Hap Tucker 1915 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.