5 main block progress

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2008: 5 main block progress
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Monday, November 10, 2008 - 09:06 pm:

Finally some more progress. First block machined. It needs to have the deck finish ground, valve seats done and main bores line honed. It was done mostly on a CNC machining centre so the next ones will be considerably quicker


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Monday, November 10, 2008 - 09:08 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Monday, November 10, 2008 - 09:10 pm:

Will this use insert bearings? That is a really tough looking engine block.that should be able to withstand most anything you can bolt to it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Monday, November 10, 2008 - 09:11 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Monday, November 10, 2008 - 09:12 pm:

Mack
yes it will use Ford 2.3 litre OHC main bearing shells


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush on Monday, November 10, 2008 - 10:33 pm:

Are these blocks going to be used with side valves or overhead? Or, are you going to make some with just holes for the push rods and no ports. Neat looking set up. Not that I am looking for one, but just thought I would ask.
MarkG


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Monday, November 10, 2008 - 11:16 pm:

Mark
total production is 4! They are all sold. As far as I know one will be flathead and the other 3 will be overhead. Maybe some day I will make some more. I would really like to make a aluminum one. I plan to have 5 crankshafts and rods made.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 08:10 am:

Nice work Les! Wish I had one of those.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nelson Jones on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 11:23 pm:

Would I be out of line asking what the price would be if they were available? Nelson


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim ( www.ModelTengine.com ) on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 08:58 am:

Are you planning on using an A camshaft?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthony Bennett - Australia on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 09:32 am:

cool:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 11:30 am:

Nelson
I really don't know what they are going to cost. I am making nothing on this, just trying to break even.
Tim
Haven't thought about camshafts, it will handle 5 cam bearings of model T size and i suppose it could be opened up for A camshaft bearings.
Royce and Anthony
Thank you for the kind words, I thought about this project for about 10 years before I went ahead.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 11:36 am:

Les, I'm planning on coming up for a couple days when Harry gets back from Panama. We want to run up to the Reynolds and see if they have anything I can't live without. Can we come and take a look? Are you going ahead with the Schubert Superfire Head program? I hope so. Great stuff!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 11:46 am:

Stan
I will be away from November 16 to December 4, so after the 4 th would be great for me. I would be glad to see you here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 01:35 am:

Les

I remember seeing this project popup from time to time on here. I don't know if you have ever visited it, but thehamb.com is a good hotrodding forum. The folks over there like most everything, and something like this would probably be right up their alley. Even if it isn't, they still seem to love stories about people who can't buy the parts they need so they go out and make/have them made.

It is wonderful to see these have come so far.

Richard


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 07:30 pm:

Richard
Thanks for the info. I will go and look. I just figured the guys here would find my doings entertaining, and maybe i can inspire some others to pursue there own ideas as well.
Ultimately I am trying to come up with a viable crankshaft solution for the larger market and some of this is just plain research
I will be home in a week and the first 4 blocks should be finished machining by then. Then on to the cranks and connecting rods


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 08:50 pm:

That's one very impressive block!
I'm speculating that it will be drilled for oil pressure and have a pump too, right?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Dailledouze on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 09:47 pm:

I am curious, I went out and looked at an empty block. How are mains number 2 and 4 attached, it does not look like you added anything to the inside of the block? As well, what will you do with pistons 2 and 3 travel as they rotate with the crank? Not down'ing your work, I wish I could run my machines like your work.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 10:34 pm:

Chris,

Les has made new 5 main bearing blocks that look externally like a stock 1926 - 27 block. The extra main bearing bulkheads are cast as part of the block.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Dailledouze on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 11:16 pm:

OK, the outside looked old and rusty, I was thinking it was an old block. This explains all. Thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 11:19 pm:

No one has mentioned it, but there is one other truly significant thing about Les' handiwork. Eight huge ports, one leading to each valve, solving one of the most serious problems with Model T engine breathing/performance!
Ron the Coilman


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave DeYoung on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 12:59 pm:

Les:

That is one incredible casting job. Have you considered altering the crank and cam to make it run with the modern 1342 firing order? I would think it would make balancing the whole unit much easier. Although, you might loose the T sound.

Dave DeYoung


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 04:12 pm:

Dave
I don't see that any alterations would be required to the crank to change the firing order, a new cam shaft yes you would need. I believe that the whole unit will be stout enough that no HP will be gained from a firing order change.
Anyway I guess i will think about that when I get to that stage.
Ron
I was wondering when someone would notice that!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garnet on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 05:41 pm:

Are steam holes not needed? Are you going to use pumped cooling or thermobarf?

Regards,
Garnet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 06:11 pm:

Garnet
The steam holes will be drilled. There a few other details that are not yet done in the pictures (bearing tab slots, oil holes for oil lines, etc). Hard to say on the cooling as each owner will do his own thing. I am only supplying a machined block and crank and connecting rods (actually originally I was only going to supply unmachined blocks but I got talked into machining them, and it made sense to buy all the cranks,rods together.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jason on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 06:51 pm:

Outstanding!!

That looks beautiful!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 10:58 pm:

So here are all 4 machined. Yet to do is line boring the mains and cam bearings and oil holes


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 02:19 am:

WOW!!!!


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