We have a 1923 4 sadan which we designed and build a 3 speed transmission to fit in the original hogs head. Yes it works. I am looking for somebody who would like to purchase the design or prototype etc. Please contact me at
firstname.lastname@example.org - Craig Whipple or call 860-448-9547 to discuss. We can send photo's if you wish.
Is it planetary, or sliding gear?
There are a few of us around who be pleased to help you bring something like this to market. Please post some photos.
Might be a version of this try from 1926
the speedometer drive attachment is pretty cool.
But what do you do for brakes? The copy reads you take out the planetary transmission and replace it, so where does the brake drum go? No mention of accessory wheel brakes in the copy.
I have uploaded some photo's to look at.
We reused the existing brake.
3 speeds forward, true nuetral, and reverse. Used the E brake as a shift lever. Would rather have a center shift! The high speed clutch works as a normal clutch. So the left petal is only a normal clutch pedal, removed the reverse petal and retained the normal brake petal.
More trans photo's
Another photo 3 speed trans
Didn't you used to have a cool animation (or at least 3d solid models) of your trans set-up on your website at one point in time?
We designed the entire trans in 3D and have all the detail drawings, assemblies etc. to have the parts made. I'll put up some more photo's from the 3D side tomorrow.
Yes, I did have all this on my web site but took it off because I decide not to go into production.
That is just way cool! I have seen ad's that used a 3 speed transmission and did away with the bands. It was mounted on the end behind the normal transmission.
That's great! You could even leave a dummy R pedal. I bet some genius could make it do the shifting?
What are the reduction gear ratios; 3:1 and 2:1?
It ain't a planetary, but it's pretty slick. In a note to me, you said it is constant mesh. Does that mean no gear grinding? Is there any part of it that couldn't have been built by Henry in 1922?
That is way cool. Q: what do you do for emergency brake lever?
You should get the ENGINEER OF THE YEAR award. That is plumb ingenious!!!!!
I was just thinking that if I had one of those behind one of Les's 5 main engines with a Stipe 350 cam and a pair of good side draft OF's running into it I could probably smoke up the Montana 500 this year if I could keep the other guys from looking inside or lifting the hood. Zoom, Zoom!!!
Hi Craig, I have lots of gear cutting machines and cnc mills. Let me know if I can help. I like Mastercam to draw and tool path. What are you using? Thanks, Scott
Have you ever considered making new gears for the old Warfords?
AS little more background here
1. Design allowed a return to Ford design by simply unbolting and replacing with all the old parts - for the purest !!!
2. 1st gear ratio very close to original, 2nd in the middle and 3rd 1:1 ( same as original)
3. Shifting is a gate stype ( something like a lawn mower) Reverse all the way back, then 1 click for neutral, 1 click forward for 2nd and 1 click forward for 3rd. NO GEAR GRINDING !!
4. Mag parts don't change ( if you want to keep them)
5. We needed to work out something for the "E" brake
Do you see any reason the R pedal couldn't do the shifting?
WOW! I wish I was smarter and could understand how it works......it don't help much that I'm at work on an antiquated computer 13" screen.
craig, way cool. i can see how a right hand shift linkage could be setup to avoid using the ebrake. it could interfear with using the brake pedal for brakes. but using the guys in colorado disc brake setup it would be easy to make linkage from the brake pedal to the master cyl. - then it would look something like an automatic shifter in the floor.
just thinking out loud
Rick,it could be possible to use the "R" pedel for shifting - the design would have to be worked and tested.
I have attached another pic from our CAD files just for reference. Anyway, it was a fun project and kept us busy for 4 months.
I really like your design. I wouldn't sweat the shifter part too much. That can be worked out down the road after you get it in production. The important thing is to get something out that works reliably. You will alway get the critics so just grow a extra layer of skin, thats what I have done.
I've already got the shifter and brake handle figured out, put me down for one !
i have to assume that the shifting action is sequential and not selective even tho a positive neutral exists...any idea how much power it takes to spin all those gears??
Hey Steamboat, I have an old warford around somewhere. I need to take it apart to size things up. If there are enough folks that want them I will be glad to make gears. I use high quality gear material and case harden gears all the time. If I can get something to look at up at Turlock it will help speed things up. How many want gears? Thanks, Scott
Note the photo below for the shift lever. This is a "sequential" trans just like a motorcycle.
Because space is very limited this is the design we decided to go with. I would rather have the shift in the middle but it's nice here because you work the throttle with your right hand and the shift with your left hand. We added a stop so when you are down shifting you don't grind reverse. Note the finger release on the shift lever.
I have tried to find gears on this forum before, but the only responses I got were from people also looking for new gears. I didn't keep track but I would guess there were ten. The warford I am running now still works, but it howls and clunks in OD and even worse in UD.
Would you have any guess as to what a set might cost?
Hi Steamboat, Say are there different types of Warfords? We Will need to make more than ten sets to make it worthwhile. The cost goes way up for one or two sets. Thats a lot of work on an engine lathe and you need a larger quanity for a cnc. I will look into this a little deeper first of the week. Thanks, Scott
Hi Scott, Yes, I certainly understand that. It would be a big investment,while you are wondering if they would sell. One might check with Snyders, Chaffins and other Model T suppliers to see what they think about the idea.
Then the new gears would have to compete with the new Layne gearbox, that goes for $2600.
One thought I had a while ago, but never followed up on, was to get aome gears from Boston Gear and mount them on the old hubs and counter shaft. I have a lathe and I thought I could handle that. The old gears get their teeth all chewed up from bad gear shifting, while the hubs are still OK.