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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2016: No Neutral?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By P. Jamison- PA on Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 11:23 am:

I have a transmission question regarding my 1923 T.
The car starts nicely and seems to idle fairly smooth. I have the rear wheels jacked up and, with the brake lever vertical, they turn as long as the engine runs. Depressing the brake pedal stops the wheels without stalling, but the engine slows. Depressing the low-speed pedal to "neutral" makes the engine run better with the brake pedal depressed. The bottom line is I can't stop the wheels from turning in neutral, either with the brake lever or the left pedal. Could this be poor adjustment, or is it some problem with the transmission/clutch?

Phil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By bob middleton on Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 11:29 am:

Band could be to tight also check clutch shift adjust linkage and the cam bolt on the E brake


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 11:32 am:

A stock Model T doesn't have as free a neutral as other cars. Some minor turning with the rear wheels jacked up is OK, but it shouldn't drag the engine down when you apply the brakes. If it's better using the low pedal to set neutral versus the hand lever, it sounds like your lever cam bolt needs to be adjusted further out. The best thing to do is follow the procedure below all the way through, that way everything will be optimized. :-)

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 12:26 pm:

The neutral in a Model T is not as free as it is with a single disk clutch as in a Model A or later car with stick shift. The multiple disks in the Model T will drag a bit. However the car should not creep forward when parked on a level surface in neutral. It might creep slightly when cold, but when warmed up it should not creep.

Your description would indicate that the bolt on the clutch lever at the side of the transmission shown in the above picture would need to be tightened slightly against the cam. The bolt should hold the lever in the same position that it is in when you push the low pedal into the neutral position.

When everything is properly adjusted, with the engine turned off, you should be able to push the car in neutral without turning the engine and the engine should idle without moving the car.

Since there is a slight drag on the clutch disks you might find that the wheels will spin when jacked up in neutral and that the engine will idle a bit faster with the wheel jacked up. That is normal.

But you should also be able to idle the engine with the wheels on the ground without creep.

The above reasons are why some people jack up the rear wheel when they crank start the car, because the crank spins more easily with the wheel jacked up and it will start easier especially in cold weather.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 12:53 pm:

Discussed early December:

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/506218/591843.html?1449429043


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By P. Jamison- PA on Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 01:27 pm:

How far back should the Clutch Push Ring move back when in neutral?

Phil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 03:40 pm:

Enough so that you can wiggle the pressure fingers forward and backward. Follow the instructions that Norman posted and you should be good to go.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Sunday, January 03, 2016 - 11:10 am:

It's PA so i would guess it's cold?? Leave your lever forward and let the car sit overnight.When after sitting all night do not use the starter,pull the lever all the way back,chock the wheeles and use the crank!Stiff?? What do you use for oil? Bud.


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