1920 with 23 engine... what do you think about this one

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Blanchard on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:06 am:

Owner is a really nice gentleman. Told me radiator will need a re-core (or new) and engine slap in one cylinder. Price reflects these two issues, oh and its a later (1923) engine. I'll post the pics I have.
It all looks right but need the clubs eyes before I pull the trigger:






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Coleman-Grand Marais MN/Detroit MI on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:09 am:

Price point?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:09 am:

Looks pretty nice, the wheels look like they have been recently rebuilt with new spokes, a plus.

I see something shiny and round in front of the seat in the first pic, is that a shifter ball for a Ruckstell rear axle? Looks like it has accessory rear brakes too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Blanchard on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:12 am:

Engine Pics...








Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:14 am:

Engine pic's and underside.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:26 am:

Looks to be a very nice car! The 1923 engine would not change the value to me, since they are functionally identical.

(Message edited by royce on January 27, 2016)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren F Rollins on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:29 am:

Looks good ,later engine wouldn't worry me. Looks like a very good one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David L Corman on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:37 am:

Exhaust manifold leaking and warped/flat gasket used instead of copper rings--small problem
New radiator--big issue---about 8/9 Ben Franklins Later engine/0ne piece valve cover
Otherwise a very nice appearing car


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:50 am:

If the engine runs well, don't worry about it. If this is to be a show car, you will need the correct engine and the wheels should be painted black, but if it is a driver, just keep it as is. It looks very good and 99.99% of people who see it will think it is all authentic. This is also true in car shows. Only judges will know the difference, and a show car cannot be driven anyway if you are to win a prize it must be perfect and original.

As for me, I only enter shows where there is no cost to show my car. I think judging does not tell you anything about your own abilities, or the usefulness of the car. Only how much money the owner wishes to spend on professional restoration and detailing.

This is a very good looking car, and whether or not it is as good mechanically as it looks, will be determined over time as you drive it. It costs some money to rebuild the drivetrain, but you have a very good body to start with. Those are harder to find than good engines are to repair.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tony Bowker, Ramona, CA on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 12:30 pm:

This is a much more original car than the socalled 1919. Most things seem correct and probably easier to keep running.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tony Bowker, Ramona, CA on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 12:32 pm:

It also appears to have a Ruckstell and accessory brakes, it is a much better car to drive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Garrison - Rice Minnesota on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 12:49 pm:

Do yourself a favor and get on your back and checkout the wood in the body. If the guys willing to pull the cover off the hogsheads so you can turn the engine over and checkout the drums, do it. Check the tightness of the spokes in the wheels. Look for telltale signs of maintenance. Does the guy have an idea of what it's got for thrust washers in the rearend? If you can get it at a good price it certainly looks like a sharp little model t.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 01:18 pm:

The upkeep and the owner telling you of the issue of the radiator is a big plus in my book. And at the very least the sidelights aren't painted with gold spray paint!

Again how the engine sounds, runs and condition of the body wood if he will tell you will determine what a realistic price will be.

A good car to start with overall if the price is right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Coleman-Grand Marais MN/Detroit MI on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 01:18 pm:

I recently jumped a little too quickly in purchasing my 3rd Model T. I was anxious to get back into the hobby and I have ultimately restored by two earlier '26 tudors to very fine condition.

So I bought from a very nice man who assured me that 'she ran pretty' well and that the engine and tranny had be 'recently restored.' Paid his asking price.

I was simply not critical enough. The rear end has never been rebuilt so that and the thrust washers are an immediate issue. The 'cleaned' gas tank was 30 years ago. The 'recent' engine rebuild was 10+ years ago and only of modest degree. The 'rebuilt' carb was a mess. The bands were 30 years old. Will probably need to all be done again from the ground up.

But she was a real pretty girl ('23 Touring) so I bought. I still would have bought the car, but at a significantly reduced price and with realization that much restoration that I was hoping to minimize, I can't avoid.

Los of good suggestions here to contemplate. What was/is the price point??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Berdan, Bellevue, WA on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 01:25 pm:

That's a very nice looking car. I'd want to do a driving test and then if the price seems fair to you, go for it. Is the "engine slap" a rod bearing, wrist pin, or piston? This could be a relatively easy fix or could entail a more complete rebuild. I'd want to hear it run and possibly get a mechanic I trusted to diagnose the sound. The engine issue would only affect price, not necessarily my decision to buy or not. A good radiator shop, if you could find one, could replace the radiator core. Probably for 1/2 the price of a new one. Still, I'd clean and flush the system to see how bad it really is before spending the real money. Ignition timing, carb mixture and driving technique can all lead to overheating.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 02:49 pm:

Looks like it has a "washer" on the steering shaft where it goes into the lower bracket. As far as I know, that was a TT part only(and hard to find). Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 03:40 pm:

From what I see, I like it. Looks like it has a Ruckstell.

Read "engine slap" as a knock. Might not be too bad a problem.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 03:43 pm:

It's a nice car, I vote with Royce. If the 23 engine has a 4 dip pan that's a plus.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 05:05 pm:

Compared to the other one you've been looking at, I'd run away from that other one, this looks like twice the car. Why is the owner selling it--that might tell you a lot too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John McGinnis in San Jose area, CA. on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 05:40 pm:

Looks like a nice, clean, well appointed car...except the yellow wheels turn me off. I suppose they are *natural* finished, but ugly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 06:24 pm:

RE;
Looks pretty nice, the wheels look like they have been recently rebuilt with new spokes, a plus.
Without tipping your hand ask what kind of wood was used. If oak, subtract the cost of new spooks from the price. I don't see yellow spooks, they are just unpainted.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 07:47 pm:

Beauty is in the eye if the beholder. I like the natural finish on those wheels!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 08:07 pm:

Robert

This looks to me to be a "way better" car than the 1919. It looks much more correct. The non-original things I like, including the outside brakes and Ruckstell(?)

: ^ )

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells, Hamilton Ontario on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 09:26 pm:

Way better car. Paint the spokes black and it will be perfect.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Blanchard on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 09:32 pm:

Should that wood bulkhead be painted black as well?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells, Hamilton Ontario on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 10:20 pm:

I think so. Mine is painted black as are nearly all I've seen.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Saturday, January 30, 2016 - 09:07 pm:

Where's the water pump? Most of the Model T's for sale have water pumps. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - 09:31 pm:

Looks like new spokes too, you guys and black, leave it alone, fix the engine problems and have fun with the car.

You should've pulled the trigger on this car the moment you clapped eyes on it...I would've! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Blanchard on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - 11:07 pm:

I pulled the trigger... she got home today after a very long trip in the safe and capable hands of freighter Jim...

My boys all over the T as it rolled off the transport... looks like the community found a few more members!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freighter Jim on Saturday, February 27, 2016 - 05:12 am:

Thanks Robert !


Freighter Jim


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