Saw this and he has a Waukesha too.
WOW. "I NEED THAT" If I shout loud enough, can I have it ... please please
I found the reserve.
I wonder whose shelf it'll end up on until the next estate sale, lol.
WOW again... from .99 cents to $1,025 in less than 4 hours......... still a good buy ... I hope you get it Derek ....
I'm already outbid, but I'll bid again near the end if it doesn't go crazy high.
5 hours in, $1,560 and seven different bidders. This could get interesting ...
Would be Interesting to know the model, would be T (touring), S (speedster), or R (racing). Stamped on the top of the head with the serial number. Difference would be the compression ratio, as far as I know. Could be wrong, I read a lot but have never owned a Fronty. Others will know more. A premier speed part. Good luck Derek!
This is a single carb style so it is probably a T or S model. The model R had 2 carbs. I believe that is correct, from my little research I have done on Fronty heads.
Fronty R was single port just like the T and S but with highest compression of those 3 versions.
Fronty S-R was the 2-port and also were dual-plug, and were introduced a couple years later in 1923.
(according to page 105 in "Model T Ford in Speed & Sport")
If I won the bid it would be left on the shelf. It would get cleaned, checked for cracks, new valves and put to use. I've asked him to check for a serial number and to let me know the letter designation.
It's most likely a T or S with that exhaust manifold.
He added a note on the posting - it's a T with serial # T3786T I'm a bit less interested now as it is the same as I have on my speedster today. With an A crank and high top pistons it is a nice performer but bumping up to an S or R would have been interesting.
Were the T, S, and R cast differently, or all the same casting with more milled off the higher-compression versions?
I believe that the castings for all 3 were the same. They may have changed in detail over time but not between model. Difference was in the machining. Am under the impression that the compression difference was done by how deeply the chamber was cut into the casting not how much was milled off the head gasket surface. The R head was machined for a 1 1/2" carburetor while the others used a 1 1/4". Rocker arms may have had a different offset ( ratio from pushrods to valves).
Can someone speak to the spark plug thread size on the 3 models?
I was all in at $2500. My dreams were to paint it up Speedy Bill style and install in a block with a cam only. I thought it would be neat to set on my coffee table. Maybe even install a handle on the end of the cam and install some weak valve springs so you could rotate it by hand.
Yep, maybe $3200-$3500 ought to get it. That's what super complete heads with accessories are going for these days.
I was going to say 3500.00 is the probable selling price. But I have been proven wrong before.
The Fronty sold for $2705.88. Good buy considering how complete it is, but out of my reach at the moment.
The Waukesha head went for $410.79 which I thought was high considering it has been welded up between #1 and #2.
When your spending that much money on a single item I'd want to handle it and not go by a photo alone. Some times there is a very fine line between "wall hanger" and usable part. A handful of "Hope" weighs considerably less then $2705.88. Caveat emptor.