To build a data base for Body Numbers of Briggs 1922 Model T Coupes

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2016: To build a data base for Body Numbers of Briggs 1922 Model T Coupes
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George John Drobnock on Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 10:23 am:

From the data available, the Coupe body was manufactured for Ford by Walter O Briggs Manufacturing Company, Detroit Michigan (McCalley, 1994, 419-422). "Auto Industries" of 12 October 1922 stated that in 1922 , 'Rouge Plant Builds Most Ford Bodies,' Ford Used various manufactures including the Beaudette Company, Pontiac, Michigan. The Beaudette Company, according to the 1922 article, built roadster bodies for Ford.

The Rouge plant in 1922 was building the phaeton and two-door sedans. The phaeton bodies are built in numbers of 3015 daily (in 1922), with an average of 2650 daily. Sedan bodies are manufactured at 900 daily. Bodies for Coupes and a new four door sedan are manufactured by the Briggs Company and not by Ford. These two styles are low production (1922) cars averaging 5000 daily.(from "Auto Industries")

Please list in part (B ## *****) or all (B 21 12345) the body number found on your door sill of your Coupe. This is for the 1922 Coupe car only. Thank you


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 10:31 am:

George,

When I rebuilt my '22 Coupe I don't recall seeing a number on the door sill. Which side of the Coupe, driver or passenger? Front of the sill or back? I will try to find it for you if I can.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George John Drobnock on Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 01:06 pm:

On the passenger side, floor. It is stamped in to the wood.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 01:50 pm:

Sorry George I can't be of any help. When I got my car most of the wood was rotted and I did a complete wood replacement.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George John Drobnock on Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 07:16 pm:

Dennis
Thank you. I know that overtime items have been replaced or renewed and the information is lost. This is a project where a few numbers may come to light and maybe a pattern may develop or not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dan doughty on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 04:57 pm:

Mine is; B 24 1903
Eng# 6315681
Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Rodell, Sr.- Wisconsin on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 10:16 pm:

My very late 1922 coupe has Briggs body #B26 1740.
The engine #6407102 was produced on August 16, 1922.
See location of body # in photos.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George John Drobnock on Saturday, March 19, 2016 - 08:19 am:

For the 1922 Coupe there were 198,382 produced. Production year was from August 1921 to September 1922. With some model year overlap.

So far:

(Engine Number) (Briggs Body Number) (Date of Manufacture)

6071252 B 21 3663 3 June 1922

6315681 B 24 1903 27 July 1922

64071xx B 26 1740 16 August1922


This is still a draft.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Rodell, Sr.- Wisconsin on Saturday, March 19, 2016 - 11:12 pm:

George,
In your first posting at the start of this thread, it is noted that the coupe was a low production body. ????????
According to Bruce's big black book, 198,382 coupes were produced in the calendar year, not the model year. In 1922, only the touring car was produced in greater numbers,--about 594,000.
Surprisingly, only about 165,000 runabouts were produced in that same time period,--about 33,000 less than coupes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George John Drobnock on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:50 am:

Please reread the post - The information presented was copied from Auto Industries 12 October 1922.

""The Rouge plant in 1922 was building the phaeton and two-door sedans. The phaeton bodies are built in numbers of 3015 daily (in 1922), with an average of 2650 daily. Sedan bodies are manufactured at 900 daily. Bodies for Coupes and a new four door sedan are manufactured by the Briggs Company and not by Ford. These two styles are low production (1922) cars averaging 5000 daily.(from "Auto Industries")""

At the time of publication of the article, according to McCalley's information on production dates, the 1922 production year was over and 1923 was on the dealer's show room. A guess without doing the math, for 1922 the total auto production for Ford was 1,301,067. Of that 198,382 (15%) for Coupes, and 4,286 (.33%) for four door sedan bodies.

You would think that 15% of the total production is a low output.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Rodell, Sr.- Wisconsin on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 04:07 pm:

Using that logic, all Model T Fords built in 1922 would be low production, except the Touring cars.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George John Drobnock on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 08:53 am:

Jim
You may be correct about all 1922 cars being low production, reviewing the car photograph section there are four coupes, including the snowmobile coupe. This project to collect Briggs Body numbers and coupe built numbers for 1922 is coming to a close with just three vehicles identified.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Kirtley on Thursday, March 24, 2016 - 02:57 pm:

I have a coup with a 1918 frame and engine, it has a later body 1922??.It has the latch type window lifts in the doors, strap type in back. Body# LA 4176. Any ideas on this?? Don


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George John Drobnock on Thursday, March 24, 2016 - 04:41 pm:

Don
The Ford Service Bulletin for (1921 July and 1921 October) discusses new body prices and the body shipped from the "nearest Assemby Plant, price $300.00 July 21 and for $235.00 October 21. For (1923 September)the Bulletin had a small discussion about "recent changes in design of Ford Cars have obsoleted all previous type bodies, and it will be necessary when supplying the new bodies in replacement to include the new type radiator...." The Coupe body was listed at $235.00 fob Detroit.

It may be that a Ford dealer or an owner wished to upgrade the body of the 1918 vehicle and Ford was now in a position to sell off surplus Briggs bodies. Also as the number is "LA", the body was shipped from an assembly plant with a different body number.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Kirtley on Thursday, March 24, 2016 - 06:56 pm:

George, I cannot find any other body numbers. I'll look again, but the sill and engine numbers are all I can locate. Where else if any might I find one??? I believe the fire wall has been replaced. Don


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George John Drobnock on Thursday, March 24, 2016 - 07:24 pm:

Don
When this project started the body number of interest was that one located on or near the passenger floor door sill of the Coupe. If wood was replaced or in this case the whole body it is difficult to say where to look. To that, as to where other numbers may be, I would have to defer to some one familiar with pre-1920 Fords. It is unfortunate that the archives for the cars of the 1920s was destroyed.


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