Ok before we get into a long drawn out thing on oak spokes let me say these are for a pickup bed TRAILER for a model t. So using hickory is just too expensive, and stupid.
Does anyone know who was selling the oak spokes?
Sorry. For the sake of those new to Model T's reading this, I just can't let you go unchallenged in saying using Hickory spokes is stupid, even if it is for a trailer.
Using Hickory spokes is not overly expensive or stupid, it is wise. The majority opinion on this site is that using oak spokes is dangerous, due to their brittleness and penchant for shattering especially on turns. I know you said this is for a trailer, but, in being uncertain as to the size or how much weight will be loaded onto the trailer, or the type of suspension, it might be just as dangerous to use oak spokes on a trailer.
You can do what you want, but I just needed to say something on behalf of hickory spokes, which are accepted and used by most of the member here. Good luck. Jim Patrick
Travis, If you do not want to buy new hickory spokes for wheels,get some good old wheels. Oak is not good for wheel's. It does not flex and is not reliable. I would not want to be behind you on a tour. Where did you get the idea for oak spokes anyway?
I agree completely with Jim. You don't want to play games with wheels no matter what they're for.Hickory spokes are not expensive either.
It's a t pickup bed trailer - wood pickup bed. Model t front end and spring made. Never loaded. So hickory at 10 bucks each is just dumb. The only way this is affordable is with oak spokes.
Not yet April Fool's day
There were 60 oak spokes sold on the Classifies for $10 ea. Noted you commented on that post.
As for pricey Hickory, Lang's sells them for $10.50 each, not expensive.
For a trailer, some worn clacking wood wheels may be OK, but...its your risk and insurance coverage.
Hickory spokes from the Stutzman's cost less then $10 apiece.
What price safety? C'mon.......
Tight and broke as I am, I wouldn't use oak spokes. To much trouble to install knowing they will fail much easier.
Now if it was going to be static display in a museum, hum maby. But for .50 cent cost difference,I doubt I would even do it for that.
10 bucks each vs 3.00 each for a trailer that otherwise will get thrown in a dumpster. Whatever...
If anyone has the guys info on the oak spokes email me.
Travis, as said before Safety is never too expensive or Stupid. But let me give you another point of view. A few years ago I bought a T that was put together as a static display car with a lot of junk parts that should have never been put on a car. Problem is the owner was long gone and the estate knew nothing of this. It was a disaster, and a safety nightmare. My point. You never know where your trailer or it's wheels will end up after you. I do my best to build safe cars with good parts. My cars will out live me.
The picture of the hub with all the broken spokes says it all. Seeing is believing, or should be.
Travis, as Mike said, you never know where your wheels will end up. I have a few decent wood wheels both 30x3 and 30x3 1/2 I think. I'm not all that far from you in NW MO. Come over sometime and we'll see if we can get you fixed up. Might have to swap a hub or two. Maybe do some trading? Might even swap Model T stories. Dave
If you don't want to pay $10.50 to $13 for hickory spokes from one of the parts dealers, get them from Stutzman for $6.50. I wouldn't gamble on oak.
I would bet you can find a good pair of wheels for $50 or less with some trading. Personally I believe the others have given some solid advice, it isn't worth the $60 or so bucks you may save today (even if it was $200). We all enjoy this hobby and have a responsibility to make our cars as safe as possible for all the others we share the road with as well as ourselves/passengers.
I will not argue about oak or hickory but if i remember right the red axle with the busted spokes was out of a model N and it was hit by a woman in a modern chevy! After the wreck the model n came to the OCF on the trailer in the picture.Bud.
Yes, I have seen numerous photos of the model N that was hit by a modern car, and the car that hit it. About nine times out of ten, when a wood wheel breaks? It is due to a collision with something. Broken wood spoke wheels are usually the result of an accident. not the cause of one.
Oak spokes are about three times as likely to break in an accident than proper hickory spokes. Exact probabilities depend upon numerous variables.
I understand the attraction of saving a few dollars on a light-duty application. But you have no way of knowing if a few years down the road, a friend may borrow those trailer wheels to keep his car on the road while his wheels are out being rebuilt.
For the few dollars more, I would use proper hickory spokes, either new, or originals.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
Well said Wayne, just my point! I've worked on many projects in the past as a welder/fabricator that the "powers that be" wanted to cut corners when adding to a beam or channel iron, etc. by just doing what was necessary to "get the job done". When I explained that those beams/channel irons etc. may be useful on a later project, they realized that they should be done up correctly in the first place. That's why I think that any wheels, no matter what they are going to be used for, should be rebuilt correctly. You just never know where they will end up. JMHO. Dave
You never know what the wheels will be used for after you're done with the trailer. Some unsuspecting soul may put them on a car not knowing or you may want them on a car.
You know most of the time in a hobby if there is a vendor that sells a known bad product or has treated someone wrongly, he is singled out and folks avoid them and eventually they fade away into memory.
If a man is selling oak spokes at swap meets to unsuspecting folks, chances are folks in the know are going to try to protect each other from this person.
Travis, folks here are just trying to keep you from having issues later. I of all folks on this forum have a full understanding of trying to save a buck. But I would not do it on spokes. I would trade for a set of used wheels instead.
As they say; "If you can't afford the hobby, change the hobby".
Ken has it. This is probably the cheapest, as in least costly, collector car hobby period. Apparently Travis will not be deterred. "You can lead a horse to water" ect.
One further comment: I'm surprised some one was actually selling them as their problems are fairly well known.
That was my thought when I saw them. "Who would buy those?" The answer is: somebody who doesn't know any better.
Not even good in a museum. Sometimes the collection is sold and the car could be back on the road in the future. A friend bought a T which had been on a showroom floor at a car dealer. It had been there for many years. My friend found out the hard way that there was no brake band in the transmission. Only Rocky mountain brakes without any shoes in the parking brake. His motor stalled going up a steep hill. Fortunately he and his wife survived, but the car suffered severe damage. I realize What I said was not about spokes, but the wrong spokes could be just as disasterous.
And besides all that, it's Chickasha, not Chickasaw.
To me, its always been : Caveat Emptor
Inform yourself before buying.
On The positive side, Oak spokes help keep the gene pool strong.
I thought he was selling firewood!
Chickensaw Mike, Chickensaw!
If a bunch of T guys telling you you're being cheap isn't a warning worth heeding, I don't know what is.
If price is your only deciding factor, why not go for the pine spokes? 1/2 the price of oak and the outcome should be about the same.
I think the most important point here is that if you use oak spokes on the trailer where it might be safe enough, are you able to guarantee that these wheels will never be put on a car by some one who does not know that they are not safe. I think you can probably get old hickory spokes for free, and that would be an even better price.
We really do need a Like button.
I've never pulled a trailer with a T but would bet that you don't ever want a wheel problem going around a trailer.
Our friend Ralph Ricks in the photo (RIP) was on a mission against oak spokes and only advised hickory. He did extensive study and as always was correct. He did have an event with a tow bar and his car hitting a curb and the wheel shattered with oak spokes and that was enough...that spun out to tow bar topics but his findings were sound about spokes with scientific analysis of shear strength of various woods and the Ford choice of shag bark hickory. Oak is great wood and I burn it in my wood stove but would not use it as spokes in a wheel. Hickory is the best choice for spokes or baseball bats where bending strength and not breaking is what you want.
Tim Moore---we miss you Ralph.
I've said this before, but might be worth repeating. If you don't believe it about the safety advantage of hickory spokes over oak, you might consider that there's probably a reason for all of those hickory shovel handles and axe handles, right?
Harold -- Shovel handles are usually made of Ash, as are rakes and hoes. The shorter ones, such as axes, hammers, and picks, are made of hickory. None are made of Oak. And yes, there are reasons for that.
Well,...thanks Mike. I knew SOMETHING was made out of hickory because hickory has properties that make it tough!
If you live long enough, eventually you reach the point where everything reminds you of something else. For some reason this discussion reminds me that if you smoke in bed you're likely to be a silly fuel and make an ash of yourself.
There are many types of Hickory. I think Ford used Shagbark.
The broken wheel you showed was on a Model S that was hit head-on by a Dodge Neon. That wheel was gonna break no matter what. Still, I agree with you and your point is well taken.
P.S. The Model S is back on the road. Hopefully the texting driver that hit it is not...
Sorry for my missinfromation!! Not sure if that is a real word but i should have said NRS. It has been several years!! Bud in Wheeler,Mi.