Nylon, Aluminium or Bronze Timing gear?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2016: Nylon, Aluminium or Bronze Timing gear?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mario Brossard on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 06:14 am:

Hi, I have to change my original timing gear. I read last couple posts published in 2011 and 2013 about that topic but couple years past and maybe some interesting informationís could be share here about experienced. I would like to have opinion, experiences and expertise about which timing gear Iím better to use in 2016. I have a generator on my Tís. I heard the nylon is quieter running gear with excellent vibration resistance but Iím aware to use it with my generatorÖ The Aluminum gears were strong but some folks said they are noisy. The Bronze gear supposed to runs quitter than aluminum but also very expensive $150 than others timing gears ($53-$63).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 06:22 am:

It is in the cut of the gear, some gears are made from different machines, the best gears out there are DMC gears, you may pay more for them but they are the best. I have built enough engines and played with different gears to find out this the hard way. just my thoughts!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 06:48 am:

Here's a recent timing gear discussion:
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/599638/603624.html?1452556307

You won't be sorry with a good used steel, a new alu or a new bronze large timing gear. There are other alternatives that works for some guys but not for others. Your choice :-)

(Message edited by Roger K on March 31, 2016)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 08:58 am:

I don't notice any noise from either the aluminum gear or the bronze gear. Steel gears are also quiet if in good condition.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 09:54 am:

A Model T isn't supposed to be quiet :-)

(with a stripped nylon/fiber gear it'll be very quiet but no fun at all :-( )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Todd, ............Red Deer, Alberta on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 11:16 am:

If you're replacing the large timing gear w/a new one, you should also replace the small timing gear at the same time, unless it's in like new condition.
It's poor economy to run a new gear against a used gear.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 12:07 pm:

Replace the generator gear too if you are running a generator.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 01:01 pm:

IMHO just replacing the large time gear will get the job done. If the engine is out of the car for a complete overhaul then replacing all 3 gears is the way to go.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 03:52 pm:

At least replace the generator gear too. That's not hard to do and will reduce lots of noise. I've been replacing timing gears for the past several years now because when I had my engine apart years ago, when it would have been easy, I took the shortcut of not replacing the crankshaft gear. True, just putting a new timing gear on will "get the job done", but a worn gear, running against a new gear, in a short time, makes two worn gears.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mario Brossard on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 05:40 pm:

Thank you all for the great comments and advice. I will change the all 3 gears and will order them from Dan at DMC gears.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth in Alabama on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 07:32 pm:

Just bite the bullet and get the bronze one. That's my vote. Mainly because that's what I ended up doing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mario Brossard on Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 10:06 pm:

Hi gentlemen, Both gears changed. Dan at DMC gears made nice quality gears. Mario


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 10:17 pm:

Not Nylon!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mario Brossard on Friday, April 22, 2016 - 07:24 am:

Aluminum !!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mario Brossard on Friday, April 22, 2016 - 08:59 am:

Here pictures of the old Timing gear... You know why I changed... Mario


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Todd, ............Red Deer, Alberta on Friday, April 22, 2016 - 11:47 am:

Suggest that you check the gear on the generator, if it's bad it could chew up the new camshaft gear.
For the price of a new one it might not hurt to replace it to be on the safe side, you wouldn't want to chew up that nice new aluminum gear.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren F Rollins on Friday, April 22, 2016 - 12:22 pm:

Find a NOS original fiber timing gear (Sears, Montgomery Ward etc). Best replacement in its day. I have run these old ones many, many years with no problem. Don't confuse my remarks as referring to New fiber gears. These seem to fail all the the time. These old gears are out there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan Danbury, WI on Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 06:14 am:

I have both: quality aluminum and bronze timing gears in differing engines. Both run well. If you run a generator, either choice will work well. One of my engines I pulled down had a fiber timing gear in it that was chewed up and missing teeth. Replaced that with the aluminum gear. No regrets there, works great. If I want to drive a quiet vehicle I just take the new truck.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mario Brossard on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 10:43 am:

I also change my generator gear. I'm probably good for another 100 years. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 10:54 am:

Mario
Be sure to use a gasket between the generator side mount and the engine block i.e. NOT just silicone!. After installing the generator check to see if you have some gear lash between the cam and generator drive gears. You can usually simply use your fingers down the oil filler hole and feel if the gears have some clearance. If you need additional clearance use one additional side mount gasket.
Ron Patterson


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 11:20 am:

I would not run a fiber gear with a generator. Also, the way your cam gear is pitted, if the crankshaft gear is likewise pitted, it will make quick destruction of a fiber gear. A metal gear is the best way to go. Very best way would be to replace all 3 gears. However it would be hard to replace the crankshaft gear without pulling the engine. It could be done but you would need to remove the crankcase bolts and jack up the front of the engine. Then it would be hard to seal the crankcase again.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mario Brossard on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 02:14 pm:

Thank you for the great advice Ron. I will install a nice rebuild generator you sold me couple years a go with a new gear... And your advice just arrive in good time :-) Before I made mistake. I love this forum, people are so nice!


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