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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 - 10:57 pm:

This news article appeared in the Columbus IN "Evening Republican" on August 10, 1907. C. F. Crump learned his Queen touring car was recently stolen by "Red" Smith. Crump, wishing to give chase, hoped to borrow his uncle's Model K Ford to run down the thief. Unable to obtain the elder Crump's Ford, C. F. found another Ford "six" and gave chase:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 12:45 am:

Strange, funny and sad story all rolled into one.......
Red apparently knew the Queen automobile and "borrowed" Mr. Crump's auto.
$20 bucks at that time to get the Queen back to town, inspected and ready to go was quite a sum!
Thanks for posting it and nice find. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 05:07 am:

Aye yi yi! I think I am picturing some Keystone Cops films in my head.
Thanks Rob.
Very interesting stuff that you find.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 10:33 am:

Thank you guys.

A little background, W. T. ("H." above, "T." below) Miller had been demonstrating the Ford Six since late June in Columbus IN, representing the Gibson Ford dealership out of Indianapolis:


The Queen owners uncle, F. T. Crump, purchased his "six cylinder Ford" in early July:


This is how the "Indianapolis News" reported the incident. The "Queen" wasn't listed by name, however the Ford was. All in all, good free publicity for Ford:



This wasn't the end of auto thefts in Columbus, or of Ford coming to the rescue. More to follow......

:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 10:49 pm:

In December 1907, only four months since the last auto theft, Columbus IN again witness an auto theft. This time, a big Haynes touring car is absconded, and one again, our Mr. crumb gives chase, with his recovered Queen. He's joined by a REO, and the touring cars, with a deputy sheriff and local policeman, give chase. Soon, Harry Benefiel overhauls the group, driving his Ford runabout (N or R).

The deputy sheriff switched to the faster Ford, and soon, they had their man, and the Haynes touring car.

Ford, the crime fighters ally........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 11:30 pm:

Too late to edit....

I had hoped to correct a few typos, and add the following.

It looks as though the paths of Queen and Ford keep crossing in Columbus IN. This will culminate in a race between the two marquees. Tomorrow i'll put up the exciting conclusion, with the race between a Queen and two Fords in Columbus.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace, Woodstock,Ont. Canada on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 06:32 pm:

Rob, This is very cool!!! Wanna race :-) Those who don't get this, check my profile :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 08:03 pm:

Darren, I titled this thread just for you.

Want to put a bet on the Ford-Queen race held in Columbus?

:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 09:19 pm:

A year after the theft of the Queen, an automobile race along with horse races were held in Columbus. The cars were two Ford runabouts and a Queen:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 04:07 am:

PSST! (And seems that Darren W is not the only Queen Automobile owner in our little crowd? Another resides in the great state of Washington.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 08:33 am:

I tried to find a 1907 or 08 Queen runabout photo to post with the race article, but didn't find any good pics online. Maybe Darren or our unidentified Queen owner (or anyone else) could post a pic and specs of what the other car in the race may have looked like.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace, Woodstock,Ont. Canada on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 06:17 pm:

I love the fact the paper refers to it as a "knockabout" LOL!!
Thanks for posting this Rob, I always find all your posts very informative and fun to read, but this one hit a personal note with me as I've NEVER seen or read a personal account regarding a Queen car in "real life" so to speak. Adverts and photos are great but this is an account on the use of a Queen car from new. Great stuff! Thank you!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace, Woodstock,Ont. Canada on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 06:23 pm:

These are the only photos I have of known 1907 Queen automobiles:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace, Woodstock,Ont. Canada on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 06:25 pm:

All of the runabout pics I've posted are 1906-1907 model F's.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace, Woodstock,Ont. Canada on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 06:30 pm:

They did offer another one, before they closed shop later in 1907, a model J, which I've never seen any ads nor any photos.

Due to the H.P. rating, I bet this would be a likely candidate for Rob's well researched "race" :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 06:36 pm:

Darren,
Thank you for posting the advertisements. My guess is it was the Model F that raced. The stolen Queen touring car in the August 1907 may have been the Queen touring you posted, or an earlier model. Evidently Columbus IN had an active Queen dealership. I'll do a little more checking and try to find a little more about these cars. I'm glad you enjoyed the thread,
Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 09:42 am:

Darren,
A few "Queen" articles from Columbus, IN. In May, 1906, the newspaper printed an unofficial list of cars and owners. The Reeves cars are made by Reeves Company,Moho made engines for several carmakers, including Aerocar:



Benefiel Bros. were the Queen dealers. By the 1908 race posted earlier they became Ford dealers.

Another Queen is bought by Frank Smith, making at least three Queens in town.

Benefiel Bros. report selling five more Queen cars in August, 1906:



Evidently when one drives a "Queen," the need for speed occurs. Charles Crump issues a race challenge to another car owner in the local paper, for the upcoming 4th of July races:



Race results:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 08:09 pm:

A race between two Orient Buckboards?! How many people here have actually seen an Orient Buckboard? I have seen several. I mean, I like them, they are cute and interesting in a curious sort of a way. I actually considered trying to buy one years ago, however it was the very rare two cylinder model.
Racing Orient Buckboards would be like racing go-carts powered by model airplane motors!
All in all, wonderful stuff! Thank you Rob!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, w2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen- Central Minnesota on Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 11:44 pm:

To give an idea of the Haynes that was stolen, here's a sales ad that is on the back side of the trade journal magazine ad that I have for my '08 Maxwell.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace, Woodstock,Ont. Canada on Sunday, April 17, 2016 - 08:40 pm:

Amazing reading Rob!!! How do you find all of this? Thanks for posting!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Sunday, April 17, 2016 - 09:26 pm:

Darren,
After the first few articles, I learned to "think outside the box" on searches. If I search "Ford Model K" in period newspapers and magazines, the only things that pop up, for the most part, are Ford advertisements. When I learned to search things like "Ford machine," Ford six" and Six cylinder Ford," a whole new world opened up online.

I suspect the same would be true for Queen cars. I will admit when I searched "Queen machine" on Google, I better have the date set, or more modern hits aren't remotely related to old cars........

It's a brave new world......

:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, April 18, 2016 - 03:44 am:

You should try researching Paige automobiles. On the other hand, if you happen to want to look at pornography with an excuse/explanation of "THAT isn't what I was looking for???"
Enough said on that subject.
Drive, and search, carefully, W2


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