1927 Roadster – ERIC’S TIN

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 03:39 pm:



This week while “decorating” the garage with memorabilia I found the license plates from my first car (1940 Ford) and the one my Model T wore for many years. I had added the apostrophe, being a stickler for correct punctuation and the Kansas police force didn’t seem to object at the time. Now the plates hang in my garage and have taken on a new meaning.

The car in question came into my life on its 50th birthday, wearing green paint on the body and a thick coat of black paint brushed over a myriad of dents and bumps on the fenders and splash aprons. It looked quite fetching – in pictures or from a safe distance.
The first repair presented itself about 1980 soon after driving from Kansas City to Alma, Missouri with the Kansas City Chuggers. Toward the end of the 70 mile jaunt the ring gear started warning me of impending doom by knocking once with every revolution of the wheels as one tooth was worn down to a nub and with good reason - there was not a drop of lubricant in the rear axle.
A few years later new rings and valves gave the car more pep but the engine was so noisy you couldn’t have a normal conversation while standing next to it, so an engine rebuild was done.
Shortly afterwards my wife and I moved to her native Barcelona and the Roadster sat idle in a neighbor’s garage in Kansas City apart from a few days during my yearly visits. When I decided I could no longer live without a Model T in my life, the most pressing repairs were made in Kansas City and the car was loaded into a container which then travelled by train to the East Coast and onward to Barcelona via cargo ship. Hindsight would have had me filling the container with LOTS more spare parts but I thought my car was in great shape. Who knew?
Soon after installing new band lining it became impossible to maintain the adjustment of the low pedal. A cracked low drum was found to be the culprit and the car again sat idle, waiting for repairs while many other chores took precedence.
The transmission repair blossomed into a ground up restoration. These past five years have been spent gathering the necessary parts, tools, material and information to bring this car back to its former glory so that it will run and drive as it did just after leaving the factory almost ninety years ago. It has been fun researching many details of how Ford built this car and matching them as closely as possible. This project is possible in great part thanks to the experience and knowledge shared here on the Model T Ford Club of America Forum. Thanks very much to the contributors for your help!
I hope the following pictures and comments might be beneficial to some of the readers of this forum.

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Esta semana mientras yo estaba decorando el garage con memorabilia, encontré las placas de matrícula de mi primer coche (un Ford del 1940) y la que mi Ford T llevó durante muchos años. Yo había añadido el apóstrofe siendo un perfeccionista de la puntuación y el cuerpo de policía de Kansas no pareció tener ninguna objeción. Ahora las placas están colgadas en mi garage y la frase que forman es "la hojalata de Eric". En los días del Ford T, se hacía burla de ellos diciendo que parecían ser hechos de hojalata.

El coche en cuestión llegó a mi vida en su 50 cumpleaños, la carrocería llevaba pintura verde y una gruesa capa de pintura negra había sido aplicado con una brocha sobre un sinfin de abolladuras y golpes en las aletas y las faldillas. Parecía bastante bonito - en imágenes o desde una distancia, eso sí.
Mi primera reparación de un Modelo T se presentó poco después de un viaje de Kansas City a Alma, Missouri con el Club de los Chuggers de Kansas City. Hacia finales de la excursión de 110 kilómetros la corona empezó a advertir de su muerte inminente dando un golpe con cada giro de las ruedas ya que tenía un diente gastado y no sin buen motivo - no había ni una gota de lubricante en el eje trasero.
Algunos años más tarde la sustitución de los segmentos y las válvulas aportaron más potencia, pero el motor era tan ruidoso que no se podia mantener una conversación normal cerca del coche por lo que se realizó un repaso general al motor.
Poco después mi mujer y yo nos mudamos a Barcelona, su ciudad natal y el Roadster se quedó inactivo en el garaje de un vecino en Kansas City. Yo lo sacaba a pasear durante mis visitas anuales. Cuando decidí que ya no podía vivir sin un Modelo T en mi vida las reparaciones más urgentes se realizaron en Kansas City y el coche se cargó en un contenedor que luego viajó en tren a la Costa Este y de allí a Barcelona en barco. En retrospectiva yo habría llenado el contenedor con muchos recambios pero yo pensaba que mi coche estaba en buen estado. ¿Quién lo habría adivinado?
Poco después de sustituir los forros de las cintas se hizo imposible mantener el ajuste del pedal de la baja. Un tambor agrietado fue el culpable y el coche de nuevo se quedó inactivo a la espera de las reparaciones mientras que se atendían muchas otras tareas que tenían prioridad.
La reparación de la caja de cambios se ha convertido en una restauración integral del coche. He dedicado los últimos cinco años a la recogida de los recambios, herramientas, materiales e información necesarios para devolverle a este coche su primor original y hacer que funcione igual de bien que al salir de la fábrica hace casi noventa años.
He disfrutado investigando muchos detalles sobre cómo Ford construyó el Modelo T y los he reproducido lo mejor posible. Este proyecto ha sido posible en gran parte gracias a la experiencia y los conocimientos compartidos aquí en el Foro del MTFCA. ¡Muchísimas gracias a los contribuyentes por vuestra ayuda!
Espero que las siguientes fotos y comentarios sean de ayuda para algunos lectores de este foro.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 05:30 pm:

Here's the car in 1980
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Aquí el coche en 1980



Present condition
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Estado actual



Next week the frame comes down and the axles go on.
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La semana que viene se baja el bastidor y se montarán los ejes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 05:44 pm:

Eric,

Thank you for sharing your story. I’m glad to hear you are making progress on the car again. I’m look forward to your updates as things come together. If you know some teens or others that have some spare time, you might want to invite them over to help with the reassembly. You never know -- one or more of them might develop an appreciation for old cars also.

Good luck and please keep us posted.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Monday, April 18, 2016 - 05:51 pm:

Hap, the teenagers go wild for 60's and 70's American cars. I have set up events giving rides in antique and collector cars to kids and when given their choice it's the Corvettes, Mustangs and Camaros that they really go for. I'm still an ambassador for the Model T, so I won't give up.

The garage is prepared - tomorrow the frame comes down!
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Hap, los chavales se vuelven locos por los coches americanos de los 60 y 70. He organizado eventos donde damos un paseo a niños y jóvenes en coches antiguos y ellos eligen a los Corvette, Mustang y Camaro. Aun así, sigo siendo siendo un embajador para el Ford T, así que seguiré buscando interesados entre la gente joven.

El garage está preparado - mañana se baja el bastidor de la pared!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C on Monday, April 18, 2016 - 11:36 pm:

Yeehaw!
I'll be watching closely for the reassembly of your Ford!
Great story too! Been a long time in the making. :-)
Eric's Tin.... :-) Yup!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - 11:21 am:

The rebuilt front wheels need new inner bearing races and they were difficult to remove. I tried the weld placed on the race trick, but it did not work. A piece of threaded rod welded across the race worked well by providing a place on which to hammer which pushed the races out.

One hub had a groove inside it and a Timken race also with a groove around it. This combination was especially stubborn.

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Las ruedas reconstruidas necesitan nuevas pistas para los cojinetes y el desmontaje de las pistas interiores fue difícil. Intenté el truco de aplicar un cordón de soldadura alrededor de la pista pero no funcionó. Un trozo de pasamanos soldado a dos caras de la pista fue la superficie perfecta para recibir el impacto del martillo y arrastrar las pistas afuera.

Una de los bujes tenia una regata en su interior y una pista Timken con una regatta alrededor suyo. La extracción de esta combinación fue particularmente dificil.








Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - 01:15 pm:

I don’t have much of an eye for wood patterns. Can anyone tell if the spokes on this wheel are Hickory? At the bottom of the picture there is a new hickory spoke layed on the wheel for comparison. I’d like to be sure before they go on the car.

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No tengo buen ojo para distinguir los tipos de madera. ¿Alguien puede confirmar si los radios de esta rueda son de Nogal? En la parte inferior de la foto hay un radio nuevo de nogal colocado encima de la rueda para comparar. Me gustaría estar seguro antes de montarlas en el coche.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tony Bowker, Ramona, CA on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - 03:17 pm:

I don't think they are oak, so they are probably hickory.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - 04:00 pm:

These wheels were rebuilt about ten years ago and it seems there was a lot of oak being used at that time, so I wanted to be sure.
Thanks Tony.

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Se sustituyeron los radios de estas ruedas hace unos diez años y parece ser que era común usar roble, así que quería estar seguro.

*Han habido muchos hilos escritos en este foro sobre el peligro de usar roble en los radios de la ruedas. La única madera realmente apta para esta aplicación es el nogal americano (Carya ovata) por su fuerza, elasticidad y resiliencia. Se usa también para hacer asas para hachas, martillos, etc.*


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Saturday, April 30, 2016 - 05:04 am:

My apologies for the lack of activity here. I had been seeing some black specks in my left eye and it turns out to be a detached retina. I've got a great team of ophthalmologists who quickly diagnosed and operated and now I have a few days of lie down. Really looking forward to getting busy again.

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Disculpas por la falta de actividad aquí. Yo llevaba unos días viendo moscas por el ojo izquierdo y resulta que era un desprendimiento de retina. Un gran equipo de oftalmólogos me lo diagnosticó rápidamente y se me operó el día siguiente. Ahora me toca unos cuantos días de descanso. Me hace mucha ilusión estar en activo otra vez más.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 05:53 pm:

Oof. Take care of that eye.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 08:33 pm:

Eric,

Yes, follow the doctor's advice. You will be in our thoughts and prayers.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 04:44 am:

Thanks for the well wishes guys.
At this week's checkup I was told to expect about a month for the eye to renew its fluid. In the meantime it's face down for most of the hours of the day (and all night). Sometimes I awaken realizing that I'm face up (my normal resting position) and turn over in a panic, not knowing how long I had been that way. I can get a few minutes in on the computer spread over the day before returning to the prone position. I know it's important to follow doctor's orders, but what a bore. Especially after getting my engine back from the machine shop the day before surgery... :-(

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Gracias por los buenos deseos chicos.
En la revisión de esta semana el médico me dijo que tengo una espera de un mes aproximadamente para que el ojo renueve su líquido. Entre tanto me he de quedar boca abajo durante la mayor parte del día (y de la noche). A veces me despierto y al darme cuenta de que estoy boca arriba (mi posición normal de reposo) y al no saber cuánto tiempo me llevaba así, me coge un pánico al volverme boca abajo. Puedo aguantar unos minutos al día en el ordenador antes de regresar a la posición prona. Sé que es importante seguir las indicaciones del médico, pero es aburrido. Especialmente cuando traje el motor de la rectificadora a casa el día antes de la cirugía. :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith, Lomita, California on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 10:30 am:

I don't understand why you had such difficulty removing the races. That is what the two slots are for in the hub. I have a '13 with the correct early hubs which don't have slots. I had to do the same thing you did on it to get the race out. I ultimately replaced the Timken race with the correct ball bearing race.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Friday, May 06, 2016 - 02:21 pm:

The slots only expose a thin edge of the race. The long, thin punch I used would just keep breaking off its tip. The machinist decided to weld the piece across the race to remove it.

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Las hendiduras en el buje solo exponen un canto muy fino de la pista para poder quitarla. Yo usaba un buril largo y fino y solo conseguía romperle la punta. En la rectificadora decidieron soldarles las piezas a las pistas para quitarlas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ALAN FAIRCLOUGH on Friday, May 06, 2016 - 03:59 pm:

Eric.
it seems like your doctor filled your eye with a gas mixture as opposed to silicone. After about a dozen detachments I have found that the gas method does not work most of the time and I have to have it done twice more to get the silicone treatment. Of course that is how it did not work for me but normally results are different for different people. I would be interested to know how it works for you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 04:26 am:

Alan, I sent you a PM.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Wednesday, May 11, 2016 - 06:53 pm:

Alan (and anyone else interested) - my doctor says the retina has taken well and I no longer have to stay in a face down position as of this week but the gas bubble makes it really hard to see when working on anything so the car is sitting...

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La retina ha cogido bien y ya no tengo que mantenerme cara abajo. La burbuja de gas dificulta la visión así que el coche sigue en espera.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Wednesday, May 11, 2016 - 07:59 pm:

Some pics of the rear axle
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Algunas fotos del eje trasero





The thrust washer pins were worn and the differential case shoulder sheared off.
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Los pasadores de las arandelas de empuje estaban gastadas y la brida de la carcasa del diferencial se separó por cizalladura.







New thrust washer locating pins installed in the axle case and differential case.
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Nuevos pasadores para las arandelas de empuje montadas en las carcasas del eje y la carcasa del diferencial.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Wednesday, May 11, 2016 - 08:27 pm:

New differential case needed to be sleeved for axle gears and ring gear mounting surface machined.
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Fue necesario hacer nuevas superficies para los piñones de los ejes y mecanizar la superficie de montaje de la corona.





Prepared for reassembly.
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Preparado para el montaje.



Hyatt bearings were good and went into the outer axle with new sleeves.
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Los cojinetes Hyatt originales estaban en buen estado y se montaron en las posiciones exteriores con nuevas pistas.





Going to try modern roller bearings for the inner axles.
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Voy a probar cojinetes de aguja modernos en el lado interior de los ejes.



The axle shafts were quite worn so new ones were made up at the machine shop.
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Los palieres estaban desgastados así que se hicieron unos nuevos en la rectificadora.





The driveshaft key was loose so the keyway was welded up and machined.
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La chaveta del piñón de ataque estaba suelta así que se añadió material y se volvió a mecanizar su alojamiento.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 04:53 pm:

The chassis is finally horizontal and the finished axle assemblies are being bolted up to it.

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El chasis está en posición horizontal por fin y los ensamblajes de los ejes están siendo instalados.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Sunday, June 19, 2016 - 07:18 am:

Tightened the rear spring mounting clips. One didn't make the grade...

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Apreté los clips que sujetan la ballesta trasera. Uno de ellos no aguantó...



Any good extras laying around out there?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan McEachern on Sunday, June 19, 2016 - 10:30 am:

Hi-not sure where that needle bearing you show above is going to be used, but it will destroy an axle shaft as axles are too soft to have a needle bearing like that run against it. Hyatt bearings are not the same as needle bearings! Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, June 19, 2016 - 10:48 am:

Agree with Dan - Those needle bearings won't be good for long.

I like the idea of welding a rod to a front wheel bearing race to give purchase to a press. Going to try that today, I have one that has resisted all manner of other methods.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Sunday, June 19, 2016 - 06:12 pm:

Dan - The needle bearings are replacing the inner Hyatt bearings next to the differential. The new axle shafts are made of the toughest steel the machine shop could find. Even so, do you think the needle bearings will destroy the axle shaft in short order? Have you seen this happen with this type of bearing?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Sunday, June 19, 2016 - 07:18 pm:

Eric,
Yes, needle bearings need hardened races, also you will find the rotation factor to be too high for this application (the needles have to spin to fast) especially with the load factor. Stick with the normal inner Hyatt bearings, they do fine in this location.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 12:05 pm:

It took some time for this register in my head - these bearings run on hardened steel races, the needle rollers do not touch the axle shaft.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Monday, September 26, 2016 - 03:54 pm:

Have a running chassis and rounding up volunteers to mount the body this week. Details soon...
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El motor funciona y está montado en el chasis. Buscando voluntarios para montar la carrocería esta semana. Detalles en breve...




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C on Tuesday, September 27, 2016 - 08:33 am:

Wow that looks great!


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