New late muffler ends are available from Gaslight Auto Parts in Urbana, Ohio. Contact Nick, and tell him they are for an original style exhaust pipe. These parts are not available from any other vendor. I don't have prices. Nick sent me one of their FRONT muffler ends, and they are 99% exact. They are not two piece stampings as original however.

Outstanding!!!! Thanks for the heads up Larry. Nice to know that they are available for your exhaust pipes. Dave

I'm curious to learn what a 'late muffler end' should look like, and how it differs from those we have all been buying.

They have a nice catalogue

Be sure to reverse the interior holes so the gases travel the longest possible distance to muffle the noise. Jim Patrick

And remind me please...who has the correct exhaust pipe?

Larry Smith had the replica late pipe made up, with bead on the pipe for the front end plate, and correct bends. Think he just made a first run that is all gone now.


Top pipe is original Ford, with front plate.



Close up of front plate and beaded pipe.






Rear plate (4040C) that is fastened with washer and nut to stud that is part of the exhaust pipe.

I sold 50 of them in four months for $89 each. I'm pleased that so many people liked them. That made the project worth doing. Most T guys don't seem to care about originality as long as what they have works. What upsets me is the vendors sell parts that they know aren't correct, but fail to mention that in their catalogs. It was nice of Dan to post all the information above for all to see. I'm not good at doing that kind of thing, and I hope it answers questions.

And Larry's pipes were GREAAAT!! I hope we can convince him to do a run of the earlier pipe!

There appear to be other benefits. Looks like the original path for the fuel line works better with the original pipe, and of course they fit better.

Larry please let us know if you plan to run so more.

I notice the above diagram, posted b y Jim Patrick, shows the front end held in place on the pipe by a cotter pin. I thought the front end was held by the bead on the pipe.

Terry

Only can guess that cotter pin was temporary design for the pressed steel front end mufflers?

Parts Books don't call for a cotter pin on the #4026C front plate, specified from 1921 and up.

Of course the Parts Books also don't call out the Muffler Hinge, used from late 1919 to early 1920 either.

That drawing Jim posted is one I used some years ago when I was researching the Canadian Pressed Steel Mufflers. It is from my Canadian Owners manual for September 1921.
Notice the exhaust deflector. This is what distinguishes it from the USA mufflers. I know from my research that the cotter pin was used initially, but by 1926 the Canadian mufflers had the rolled bead in the exhaust pipe.

Best regards, John Page, Australia

Attached LINK & PHOTOS as proof.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/506218/597129.html?1451009759

The cotter pin as I understand was only used on the Canadian cars.