That is....... The "two piece" club!!!!!
This shows the pan dimples and the 4 dip inspection cover spacer necessary for the Skat "stroker" crankshaft. The work was done by Tom Graham in East Jordan, MI. The oiler is the high volume one off the hogs head. Tom put a drain plug in one of the dippers because of the larger volume of oil which gets "trapped" behind the spacer. Helpful when changing oil. The last two photos are two (of the four) reasons I'm "quitting" the club. In all, four broken cranks over 24 years or so. I'm done with that "club" for GOOD!!!!!!! (Well, it's a Model T after all, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed......)
With that record you should be made President of the club......now retired!
When I had my motor rebuilt, I choked up the extra cash and stepped up to a SCAT counter-balanced crank for my Model T. No regrets, no worries. Joe, you're gonna love it!
I second Michael's motion.
You mentioned Tom Graham in East Jordan. I have my T's stored in East Jordan and need a power train rebuild done on my 24 TT. Does Tom do good work and do you recommend him? If so, do you have contact information for Tom?
I must be doing something wrong. I've been at it for 18 years and I haven't broken a crankshaft yet.
you might be next, Eric. They tend to go when you least expect it. My grandparents told me about a broken crankshaft in a Model T. This is a problem which has been around since the T.
Several things can contribute to it, however. A crooked crankcase, lugging the engine are two of the most common. There can be cracks for a long time and then when the load is heaviest, it snaps!
I have a SCAT crankshaft in one of my T's. So far no problems with it, but it is standard T lift and grind, not a stroker.
John: Tom has a great reputation for his engine work. He's quite a machinist and has many irons in the fire. He also runs all his motors on his dynamometer. I have heard nothing but praise for him. You can contact him at 231-350-0782
BTW, with a scat "stroker" crank and a Z head my motor did 32.37 HP at 2500rpm on its final run. Impressive, but kind of wasted on me, because I'm all into going slow and smelling the money... of which I don't have anymore of.............
Norm: I agree with you. On two of my "breaks" though, I was just putting along at about 30mph on the straight and level. It is very easy for all of us to swear that we "never" lug our cars, but the reality is, that we do it much more often than we think we do. It's especially hard not to do in hilly terrain with lots of stops and slowdowns, etc.
You can't quit a club that has no officers, bylaws, meetings or roster. Once you pay your dues in broken cranks, you're in. Looks like you are well situated to avoid further installments. I have paid the dues twice myself, before I had magnaflux and a pan jig. Also well before Scat cranks.
With no gear between low and high, lugging is SOP.
Steve: Just in case I'm not the only confused one,
Please tell us what SOP is??? Thanks, David
Standard Operating Procedure
Thanks Ed, Always have been a firm believer in the Standard Operating Procedure. Just never saw that one before!
SOP is a commonly used military term for those not familiar with the acronym.
Don't tell them what SNAFU stands for......
Why are there no officers? I have never before joined a club as large as this one is. And this club is over 100 years old.
Crankshafts usually break because of something done years earlier. Or a bent pan now.
I will forever be convinced, that your chances of a broken crank are SIGNIFICANTLY reduced, if you drive your Model T like Henry intended.... Lumbering along at 25 to 27 MPH.
You may now hurl your insults for my reckless opinions.
I broke two cranks and finally realized it was the %^&(#@ fourth main that had a bearing in it. Threw it away and went back to babbit and no problems.
Rob; FUBAR is another one that comes to mind that shouldn't be explained... but I actually heard a reporter on television use the term SNAFU so these acronym's have found their way into our vernacular even if their meanings haven't
Joe, you are officially 'Drummed out" of the two piece club. Hope to see you in Ecanaba this August. Mike
SNAFU = Situation Normal all Fouled Up
SNAFU was name of my first dog as a child- wonderful companion.
That's the PC version, Dan
FUBAR = F***ed Up Beyond Any Recognition
Here's my current project:
I think you are REALLY tempting the fates by your claim!!!
Les - I'll tell you who is "REALLY" tempting fate as you say, and that is Eric Hylen in Minnesota, when he states that in 18 years, he has "never broken a crank"! In fact, with 4 Model T's, I think I'm "tempting fate" by even talking about it!
Harold. I totally agree
Royce did the rod cap hit the internal oil line? I have heard of that but never seen it before.
Harold, Eric in Minnesota said he went 18 years with out breaking a crank. I went 19 years before I finally broke mine. I see a pattern here. Us in Minnesota freeze our cranks to -30 below 0 for several months a year, that must harden the steel?
GR yes I had to manipulate it a bit for clearance. Using an outside line too of course.
Royce - so it's a stroker like Joe's with Model A rods? (referring to the built in dippers)
Just my opinion but isn't joining the two piece club never a voluntary membership but rather one tends to get involuntary drafted into its membership instead!
Roger that is correct.
Mine has a Bill Dubats cranks after I got volunteered into the club. Never worry about it now with a bit of lugging.
I deferred joining the club for 49 years, so, Eric, you have plenty of time!!!!
Allan from down under.
WANTED: Your good Ford Cranks that you removed from your engines and are going to throw away for fear of them breaking. Just box them up and send them to me.
James, I have 2 good halves. Do you want them both?
SNAFU = FUBAR = FUBB.
I have scrapped about a hundred or so cranks that would have inducted that many guys into the club. When I think about it now, they would have made a neat picket fence around my garden.
Dean.. Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass on that. If you can find a way to glue it back together, I'll consider it.
I went through five bad Ford EE cranks before finding an EE that was not cracked that cleaned up at less than .030" under. Very hard to find a usable EE crank. Most have been turned down too small or are cracked.
I broke one on the MTFCI tour in the 90s it's was a late EE crank ground 10 on the rods and 20 on the mains. I figure for the 20 or so years I have driven Model Ts I have been lucky to only break one. Unfortunately, I can't afford the extra 1000 plus bucks for a new one. So I have collected all the late cranks I can find. I think between my dad and I we have tried to corner the market on them I think we have over 50 of then laying around.